Ladies and gentleman, it is time to consolidate the board. We’re officially moving from doing separate offense and defense updates to doing one comprehensive update, since the board is down to 12 total prospects with a non-zero level of mutual interest. That non-zero level is defined as having a temperature of “Cool” or better, if you were wondering. I’m going to tell you in advance not to be surprised, because this is a big number: We have no less than 38 changes to the board, with a whopping 32 of them on the defensive side.
It’s been longer since we’ve done a defensive update, so it’s not outlandish that it would be lopsided, but wow… A lot of kids made decisions after taking official visits in July, not surprisingly, and our last defensive update was just before that nationwide flurry of commitments started. Conversely, on the offensive side, we only have those six changes since the last offense update but two of them were massive for the Irish.
Also, an administrative note on a development that popped up a little while ago but we’ve avoided getting into previously. 247 changed their position groupings recently, which muddies the waters a bit on rankings given that it came mid-cycle. They’ve adjusted how they bucket quarterbacks, running backs, offensive linemen, defensive linemen, and linebackers as follows:
- QB: Now ranked just as QB – no more pro-style or dual threat sub-groupings. So Steve Angeli isn’t the #14 pro-style QB, he’s the #14 QB period.
- RB: Similarly, gone are the all-purpose back and running back distinctions, with all backs now lumped together.
- OL: Guards and centers have been consolidated into interior OL (“IOL” in their listings).
- DL: This is where things get a little weird… They used to rank kids as defensive tackles, strongside ends, and weakside ends. They now rank some of them as DL, which apparently sort of means interior DL given that the bucket holds all the former DTs and most of the SDEs. “Most of, you say?” Why yes, because the new Edge designation holds all the former WDEs – and also some of the former SDEs. And, just for good measure, some of the former OLBs. I’m not against the idea generally – Jaylen Sneed is pretty clearly a different kind of OLB than Jadeveon Clowney, after all, and we often talk about SDEs who project as 3-tech DTs – but the execution here seems sloppy.
- LB: Like with QB and RB, there’s no more inside linebacker/outside linebacker distinction. Everyone is just a linebacker.
All of this is worth keeping in mind when you look at position rankings in this cycle. Given that they shifted midstream here I would imagine it might be mildly hosed for this cycle before being cleaned up in the 2023 cycle. The overall prospect rankings and 247 Composite scores for 2022 kids will still be pretty reliable though.
The Board
A reminder on how we do this – we’ll include the entire big board table but only review prospects who are above “Cold” status and who have had actual developments of late. Speaking of which, the temperature scale:
- Hot means the prospect is on commit watch.
- Warm means the prospect has Notre Dame in a small final group and/or is a possible Irish lean.
- Mild/Mild+ means the prospect is in regular contact with the staff and has visited or has firm visit plans.
- Cool means the prospect has some level of contact with the staff and/or vague visit plans; also the default temperature for most new offers.
- Cold is a known (or reasonably safely assumed) lack of contact with the staff and/or an elimination.
Also, on the 247 Composite scores: Roughly speaking above .9830 is a five star, above .9500 is a top 100 prospect, above .9200 is a top 200 prospect, and above .8900 is a four star. Those slide around a little within a cycle and from one cycle to the next, but they’re pretty solid ballpark numbers.
Remember that of course we don’t have perfect information on all prospects – we don’t know for sure whether a prospect has or hasn’t talked to the staff outside of what’s reported elsewhere. We don’t know for sure how high prospects are on the staff’s board. We try to make highly-educated guesses at all of it, but we don’t know.
Position | 247C | First Name | Last Name | Temp |
OG | 0.9452 | Carson | Hinzman | Cold |
OT | 0.9948 | Zach | Rice | Mild+ |
OT | 0.9510 | Aamil | Wagner | Warm |
OT | 0.9481 | Julian | Armella | Cold |
OT | 0.9360 | Billy | Schrauth | Mild+ |
RB | 0.8739 | Quinshon | Judkins | Mild |
TE | 0.8958 | Benji | Gosnell | Cold |
TE | 0.8810 | Arlis | Boardingham | Cold |
WR | 0.9880 | Kevin | Coleman | Cold |
WR | 0.9872 | Evan | Stewart | Cold |
WR | 0.9635 | Andre | Greene | Cold |
WR | 0.9624 | Brenen | Thompson | Cold |
WR | 0.9579 | Kendrick | Law | Cold |
WR | 0.9467 | Darrius | Clemons | Cold |
WR | 0.9354 | Antonio | Williams | Cold |
WR | 0.8925 | Omari | Kelly | Cold |
WR | 0.8742 | Major | Everhart | Mild |
WR | 0.0000 | Elic | Ayomanor | Cold |
WR | 0.0000 | Eli | King | Cold |
WR | 0.0000 | Xayvion | Bradshaw | Cold |
CB | 0.9939 | Denver | Harris | Cold |
CB | 0.9585 | Earl | Little Jr. | Cold |
CB | 0.9172 | Ephesians | Prysock | Cold |
CB | 0.9068 | Austin | Ausberry | Cool |
CB | 0.9047 | Dillon | Tatum | Cold |
CB | 0.8697 | Avery | Powell | Cold |
DT | 0.9715 | Caden | Curry | Cold |
DT | 0.9655 | Hero | Kanu | Mild+ |
DT | 0.9641 | Anthony | Lucas | Mild+ |
LB | 0.9913 | Harold | Perkins | Cold |
LB | 0.9741 | Jaishawn | Barham | Cold |
LB | 0.9718 | David | Bailey | Cold |
LB | 0.9355 | Devon | Jackson | Cold |
LB | 0.9041 | Lander | Barton | Cold |
LB | 0.9038 | Robby | Snelling | Cold |
S | 0.9895 | Kamari | Wilson | Cold |
S | 0.9777 | Zion | Branch | Cold |
S | 0.9757 | Xavier | Nwankpa | Warm |
S | 0.8889 | Jake | Pope | Cool |
S | 0.8850 | Cooper | Barkate | Cold |
SDE | 0.9946 | Shemar | Stewart | Cold |
SDE | 0.9413 | Ernest | Cooper IV | Cold |
SDE | 0.8979 | Isaac | Hamm | Cold |
WDE | 0.9817 | Enai | White | Cold |
WDE | 0.9762 | Cyrus | Moss | Mild |
WDE | 0.9665 | Kenyatta | Jackson | Cold |
WDE | 0.9397 | Wilfredo | Aybar | Cold |
WDE | 0.9311 | DJ | Wesolak | Cool |
WDE | 0.8315 | Alex | Bauman | Cold |
On the Board
Prospects are listed with their position, 247 Composite score, 247 Composite overall rank, and 247 Composite position rank.
- DL Hero Kanu, 0.9656, #79/#12
- CB Austin Ausberry, 0.9068, #258/#28
Off the Board
Deep breath…
- DL Mykel Williams, USC, 0.9848, #28/#5
- CB Jeadyn Lukus, Clemson, 0.9838, #31/#6
- CB Terrance Brooks, Ohio State, 0.9793, #46/#9
- S Bryce Anderson, Texas A&M, 0.9786, #48/#3
- DL Dennis Dani-Sutton, Penn State, 0.9783, #49/#9
- LB Jaylen Sneed, Notre Dame, 0.9754, #58/#6
- WR Tetairoa McMillan, Oregon, 0.9635, #62/#5
- CB Khamauri Rogers, Miami, 0.9734, #63/#10
- LB Shawn Murphy, Alabama, 0.9725, #65/#8
- WR CJ Williams, Notre Dame, 0.9636, #86/#11
- DL Derrick Moore, Oklahoma, 0.9627, #89/#14
- WR Tobias Merriweather, Notre Dame, 0.9484, #125/#18
- LB Sebastian Cheeks, North Carolina, 0.9472, #130/#15
- S Kamari Ramsey, Stanford, 0.9438, #142/#9
- CB Jaeden Gould, USC, 0.9400, #154/#18
- S Keenan Nelson, South Carolina, 0.9298, #172/#11
- CB Toriano Pride, Clemson, 0.9271, #177/#22
- S Austin Jordan, Texas, 0.9210, #197/#13
- WR DJ Allen, TCU, 0.9207, #198/#29
- S Cristian Driver, Penn State, 0.9175, #209/#15
- LB Tevarua Tafiti, Stanford, 0.9110, #240/#26
- S Jared Kerr, Texas A&M, 0.9075, #252/#18
- CB Cam Miller, Penn State, 0.9016, #279/#30
- S/ATH Jaden Mangham, Michigan State, 0.9000, #285/#15
- CB Benjamin Morrison, Notre Dame, 0.8958, #315/#32
- OT Ryan Baer, Pitt, 0.8950, #376/#38
- DT KJ Miles, Georgia Tech, 0.8925, #338/#47
- LB Martrell Harris, Texas A&M, 0.8892, #359/#40
- S Jake Pope, Alabama, 0.8884, #371/#26
- S Emory Floyd, South Carolina, 0.8864, #387/#29
- DT Kaleb Artis, Penn State, 0.8850, #456/#68
- CB Davison Igbinosun, Rutgers, 0.8742, #533/#56
- S Kevin Winston, Penn State, 0.8678, #644/#45
- CB Ryland Gandy, Pitt, 0.8627, #727/#70
Flipped
- S Taylor Groves, Michigan to Ole Miss, 0.9056, #260/#19
- WDE Darren Agu, Notre Dame to Vanderbilt, 0.8797, #478/#26
Quarterback
Commits: Steve Angeli, 0.9127, #227/#14
Slots: 1
Running Back
Commits: JD Price, 0.9141, #220 overall/#21 position
Slots: 1-2
In our last update we moved Quinshon Judkins (pictured) from Cold to Cool, as both sides seemed to be staying in touch. Fast forward a couple of weeks, and now we’re moving him to Mild since he has set up an official for the Toledo game. (Maybe it’s just because he doesn’t want to pay for Peacock?) We like him but we’re still not really sure what to make of this; clearly the staff has some interest though, at least pending senior film availability. Stay tuned.
Wide Receiver
Commits: CJ Williams, 0.9636, #86 overall, #11 position; Tobias Merriweather, 0.9484, #125 overall, #18 position; Amorion Walker, 0.8743, #532 overall, #40 position
Slots: 3-4
The big news here is of course the staff securing the commitments of CJ Williams and Tobias Merriweather, arguably the top two receivers on the west coast in this cycle. (Tetairoa McMillan is currently ranked #62 overall but, by reports and by who is rumored to be pushing for him, may be somewhat overrated.) Williams is a potential Day 1 contributor as a big slot guy and Merriweather has all the traits of a future #1 receiver. Williams attends USC feeder Mater Dei who was courted heavily by USC and Texas, while Merriweather is a Pacific Northwest kid who was coveted by Stanford, Washington, and Oregon. They’re both big, big wins for Del Alexander and Tommy Rees…
Exactly how firm Amorion Walker‘s commitment is at this point is an open question. We’re still leaning towards him signing with Notre Dame, but a quiet visit to Michigan just after the Irish’s big BBQ weekend – which he didn’t attend – was an eyebrow raiser. He says all the right things, but as we’ve all seen, that’s not always a guarantee… We reluctantly downgraded Andre Greene to Cold. He had an official visit set up for the Cincinnati game, but yesterday he released a top six of Clemson, Georgia, LSU, North Carolina, Oregon, and Penn State. Oh well…
Nothing much to report on Lone Star State blazer Major Everhart, for the Irish or for anyone else. Watch to see if he sets up a fall visit to Notre Dame; if not, obviously this one isn’t going anywhere. He hasn’t set anything up yet but has expressed some interest… We downgraded both Elic Ayomanor and Xayvion Bradshaw to Cold after the commitments of Williams and Merriweather. Ayomanor is intriguing but redundant now; watch for Stanford here if he gets in, Tennessee if he doesn’t. And with three receivers in the fold, it seems like the staff wants to focus on prospects they feel better about than they do about Bradshaw.
Tight End
Commits: Holden Staes, 0.9036, #10 position/#268 overall; Eli Raridon, 0.8830, #18 position/#438 overall
Slots: 2
Offensive Line
Commits: OT Joey Tanona, 0.9385, #155 overall/#18 position; OT Ty Chan, 0.9235, #199 overall/#26 position; OT Ashton Craig, 0.8728, #579 overall/#52 position
Slots: 4-5
Zach Rice attended the UNC summer BBQ weekend; as we’ve said throughout, they’re likely in the lead position from him despite some optimism from Virginia and serious pursuit from, well, everyone else. We do think that Notre Dame and of course Blake Fisher made a big impression on him. If he sets up a fall visit, things could get very interesting here… There seems to be a growing consensus that Aamil Wagner isn’t the lock to Ohio State that many assumed he was throughout the process. We get the vibe that Ohio State does want him but he’s being more patient than they’d like. As we mentioned before, Kentucky is very much in the picture with his brother playing there. Gameday visits loom large. We’re cautiously optimistic…
Billy Schrauth‘s recruitment has been one hell of a roller coaster, especially given that he really doesn’t talk about it much. He was on commit watch for the Irish back in April. That commit watch kind of hung in midair for quite some time before it became obvious it wasn’t commit watch anymore, at which point momentum swung abruptly and decidedly toward Wisconsin to the point of being on commit watch there. That didn’t happen either though, and as time went on there were reports that Notre Dame had taken the lead again. The latest buzz has Wisconsin inching back into the lead and possibly really seriously being on commit watch there again. I don’t know what to make of it, but I do know that when a kid has this much trouble deciding between Notre Dame and the hometown team it doesn’t usually end in Notre Dame’s favor.
Defensive Line
Commits: DL Tyson Ford, 0.9423, #146 overall/#22 position; DL Aiden Gobaira, 0.9155, #219 overall/#29 position; DL Donovan Hinish, 0.8797, #481 overall, #73 position
Slots: 4-6
Bishop Gorman product Cyrus Moss is just as good a fit for Notre Dame as ever, but has started to clearly trend to Oregon. The Irish staff has to hope to stave them off long enough to get Moss back on campus in the fall. Whatever else happens on the line, Moss will always have a spot in the class if he wants one… Hero Kanu, curiously, made a top ten announcement a little while ago that only included nine schools. He received his Notre Dame offer shortly after, which he would later say was the hole in his top ten, and he filled that last spot quickly. Kanu grew up in Germany before moving to the States fairly recently; he visited South Bend for the end-of-July BBQ, where he not surprisingly hit it off with fellow PPI Recruits product Alex Ehrensberger. We like Notre Dame’s position here quite a bit…
Anthony Lucas is a tougher read. The DT/SDE swing candidate looked to have a top two of Texas A&M and Notre Dame for a long time; after summer visits, Alabama and Miami are making some noise too. Fall visit season will be huge; Marcus Freeman and Mike Elston will get their shot to fend off all those suitors but it won’t be easy… [Cue Eminem’s “Without Me“] Guess who’s back. Back again. DJ’s back. Tell a friend. With Darren Agu flipping to Vanderbilt, the staff has revisited DJ Wesolak. Wesolak has been sort of all over the map; Notre Dame definitely led for him at one point, then Clemson, then USC, then Arizona State, and now maybe (maybe!) Penn State. We don’t have a good read on how receptive he is to the Irish the second time around, but he’s back on the board.
Linebackers
Commits: Jaylen Sneed, 0.9754, #58 overall/#6 position; Niuafe Tuihalamaka, 0.9544 overall, #111 overall/#12 position; Josh Burnham, 0.9510, #116 overall/#13 position; Nolan Ziegler, 0.8958, #311 overall/#35 position
Slots: 4
Jaylen Sneed won linebacker MVP at the Rivals Five-Star Challenge, beating out two guys who even after rankings updates are still ahead of him in the 247 Composite (actual five-star #15 CJ Hicks and #47 Gabe Powers, both Ohio State commits, and yes of course that’s purely a coincidence). Anyway, he’s really really good, as anyone with a pair of functioning eyeballs could tell you. Sneed’s commitment shut down 2022 linebacker recruiting for the Irish with arguably the best group they’ve ever had, and undoubtedly the best of the internet recruiting era.
A brief diversion for some Michigan schadenfreude, which is always a worthwhile endeavor… Notre Dame led for Sebastian Cheeks for a long time, with Michigan (according to their mods) running second. The Irish actually turned the #130 overall player away after Sneed’s silent commitment, at which point he moved his focus to Michigan Texas, with Michigan again putatively running second. Texas also didn’t work out though, so of course at that point he moved on to Michigan North Carolina, with Michigan (stop us if you’ve heard this one) right there in it! Not surprisingly, he committed to North Carolina shortly after. Wolverine tears are delicious.
Defensive Backs
Commits: CB Jaden Mickey, 0.9127, #228 overall/#26 position; CB Benjamin Morrison, 0.8958, #315 overall/#32 position; S Devin Moore, 0.8883, #375 overall/#28 position; CB Jayden Bellamy, 0.8830, #435 overall/#42 position
The Irish landed a big commitment from Benjamin Morrison, finally winning a head-to-head battle with Washington and Jimmy Lake for a defensive back. Morrison was also courted heavily by Alabama; when Nick Saban and Jimmy Lake want a particular defensive back, his recruiting service ranking is pretty irrelevant. There is heavy conjecture among many Irish partisans that Marcus Freeman was referring to Morrison when he appeared on Chris Zorich’s podcast and talked about a kid who wanted to commit elsewhere after a visit there. According to Freeman, they had this kid, he visited the other school (presumably Washington) and was ready to flip, he ruminated as requested, and returned to the fold. Was it Morrison? We may have to wait until signing day to find out…
The crown-jewel-in-waiting for this secondary class is Xavier Nwankpa, who is talented enough to step directly into the very large shoes that Kyle Hamilton will vacate next spring. Seriously. Texas A&M and hometown Iowa are on the fringes, but really this has been and will likely continue to be a Notre Dame-Ohio State death match. Not to sound like a broken record, but fall visits will be key; Nwankpa intends to make a game for each of the Buckeyes and Irish.
How much of a focus is the elite prospect for the Irish?
Then what’s the hold up? https://t.co/v20Mrr6kWF
— Kyle Hamilton (@kham316) August 11, 2021
That Nwankpa tweet was then re-tweeted by literally every member of the coaching and support staff, including Brian Kelly himself. If you’re into parsing social media (admittedly, a dangerous exercise), and you’re wondering if Notre Dame’s messaging is resonating with Nwankpa, check this screenshot of the Instagram live feed when CJ Williams committed:
Yes, that does indeed appear to be Nwankpa calling roomies with Williams. Was he serious? Maybe. Is it a good sign? Maybe. Is it a bad sign? Definitely not. (For what it’s worth, top 2023 WR target Carnell Tate also commented in the live stream with a simple shamrock emoji.) (Caveat lector.)
Four star Louisiana corner Austin Ausberry recently released a top six of Notre Dame, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, LSU, and Michigan. We’re not sure how heavily the staff is pursuing him and we don’t see the numbers working out. On the other hand he’s a recent offer, and he visited this summer and put the Irish in the final group. An interesting wrinkle here is that his brother Jaiden is a five-star linebacker in the 2023 cycle, and very much an Irish target. Would the staff take Austin to have a better shot at Jaiden? That seems unlikely, but who knows…
Lots of info here, I know, so to consolidate further…
Guys I’m bullish on: Wagner, Kanu
Guys I’m cautiously optimistic on: Nwankpa, Lucas
Guys I don’t have a good read on: Ausberry, Everhart, Judkins
Guys I’m bearish on: Rice, Moss, Schrauth, Wesolak
Finishing with Wagner, Kanu, Nwankpa, Lucas would be a homerun (76% blue-chip).
It would certainly cement our best class since the Jaylon Smith class. And in some ways I believe that this class would work out better than that one did since it seems more recently the coaches have had a better track record of scouting and developing the talent that comes.
We had a 50% hit rate on the 12 guys in the top 200 depending on what you mean by “hit.”
Hit: Smith – #1, Rochell #111, Elmer #115, Luke #154, McGlinchey #172
Could go either way- more meh or solid rather than a top guy for a long period of time: Redfield #29, Folston #106, Zaire #162
Miss: Bryant #45, Biven, #97, Montelus #152, McGovern #193
The either/or guys seem more to be misses than hits though given their ranking.
And then if we follow up with 2022 class with another elite 2023 class (great start already), it could be a best two year run since…..???? When these guys are soph and jr, we could have the most talent at ND in a long, long time.
So, fun fact… Assuming all 247 Composite scores for current recruits stay the same (not a lock, but the various changes are fairly likely to be a wash in the end), the 2022 class will actually just edge out the 2013 class for best average non-specialist 247 Composite score of the BK era. I take the specialists out to be able to make a fair comparison between years – otherwise it would be harder to set a class with, say, a long snapper and a punter against a class with no specialists.
Landing those four would bring the 2022 average to 0.9231 with 25 recruits, while the 2013 class posted a 0.9230 average with 23 recruits. What’s more, the 2013 class had three top 50 players (Jaylon, Redfield, and Bryant), while the 2022 class – somewhat unbelievably for a group that includes Sneed and Nwankpa – would have none, meaning that the 2022 group would be stronger across the board than the 2013 group.
Wow, that backs up the eye test so to speak when just quickly comparing the classes. The low end of 2013 doesn’t compare at all with 2022. It just shows how much talent is squeezed into the upper end of the class without being 5 star.
Great list as always. From what I read on 247 about Nwankpa by Steve Wiltfong, I’m not as bullish on him. He’s said all the positive stuff about ND you list, but as much about tOSU as well. Nwankpa is attending tOSU/Penn State and apparently doesn’t want to take trips in back-to-back weekends so that would take him away from ND/USC. So I guess we’ll see, if they can get him for that game, my hopes would go up.
On Rice, I’m more positive than you but we’ll see. I saw a quote (can’t find it now, unfortunately) where he said something to the effect of “I just know Quinn will help me develop the best out of any coach I’ve met”. Maybe the proximity to UNC will be too much to overcome as you’ve pointed out, but I continue to personally have a stronger feeling for ND.
Wiltfong is a good dude, but he’s practically an OSU fanboy at this point. He might be right but it’s worth remembering that he talks to the OSU staff a *lot* (and PSU, fwiw) so much of his info comes from their perspective.
Mike Frank is surprisingly optimistic on Nwankpa, which is one of the reasons I’m bullish. If you want to know more about that go subscribe to ISD, lol, it’s worth it. There are a few things ISD has highlighted that would give one cause for hope. I’m remaining skeptical until it happens, but…
This is great work – I’m even a 247 subscriber so theoretically I should know all this, but it’s really good to have a place that synthesizes everything as well as this. I will renew my 18 Stripes subscription!
Cha-ching!
And thanks!
Gotta say recruiting has been much more fun this year than the past well almost decade. Even just being in the final 2 heading into season is more exciting than most years. Hopefully close on X, hero and a high ranking o lineman.
I do have to ask though, are we underachieving at o line recruiting? Given the on field success joe Moore winner in 17 and runner up last year combined with draft success and nfl success. Sorry I mean absurd nfl success, 3 all pro o lineman and one of them is the coolest o lineman ever?!? Plus mcglincehey, nick martin, eichenberg, hainsey, banks, bars, mustiphet. Anyone else? Anyways over three years we have 3 top 100 lineman, that seems like underachieving a bit
2020 was an underwhelming OL class nationwide; the staff intentionally took a small group to load up in 2021. They made a late run at Jonah Monheim, and you could make a strong argument that they should’ve done that sooner, but taking two OL in that class was mostly be design. So, with that context, we landed:
2019 – #95 Zeke Correll, #118 Quinn Carroll, #183 Andrew Kristofic, #185 John Olmstead
2020 – #100 Tosh Baker (underrated IMO), #146 Michael Carmody
2021 – #55 Blake Fisher, #60 Rocco Spindler, #322 Caleb Johnson, #406 Joe Alt, #611 Pat Coogan
2022 – #169 Joey Tanona, #201 Ty Chan (underrated IMO), #491 Ashton Craig; in it for #9 Zach Rice (probably not) and #115 Aamil Wagner (decent chance)
Worth noting here the the ND staff was really high on Joe Alt and early returns suggest even they might not have been optimistic enough. They loaded up in 2021 like they wanted. Would I trade Coogan in ’21 for Monheim in ’20? Probably, but such is life.
The 2019 class has underwhelmed somewhat, but Correll is starting, Kristofic is in the two-deep, and remember that Carroll tore his ACL his freshman year. Fisher, Spindler, Correll, Baker, and Alt could well be your 2022-23 starting OL.
Also, there are only four top 100 OL with ND offers in the 2022 cycle – Rice, #19 Will Campbell, #38 Tyler Booker, and #59 Joe Brunner. Campbell is from Louisiana and has been committed to LSU since January. Brunner is from Wisconsin and, as we know, committed to Wisconsin this summer. Booker is an IMG kid who never really gave us the time of day before eventually committing to Alabama. There just aren’t that many opportunities.
We have a shot at some really elite talent in 2023 though. #5 Kadyn Proctor, #42 Chase Bisontis, #54 Samson Okunlola, #61 Cayden Green are all guys who are listening to varying degrees as of now.
Brendan, you are a fountain of recruiting information and your (and Tyler’s) work on these boards, along with follow-up details in the comments (like the one above) is very much appreciated by all of us!
A lot of times those extra nuggets in the comments section like your bull/bear list and the above explanation of recent o-line recruiting pull back the curtain a bit and give us a much better view of the recruiting situation.
Thanks man!
Oh man that was way more of a detailed response than I expected. Thanks for all the info, I guess I meant 2020-22 classes when I said last 3. And I’m surprised baker was that low I kind of considered him a top 50 recruit in my head. I would just think they should be hammering out top 100 recruits like osu defensive line and backfield or Alabama everything and Georgia defense, but again when you only offer a handful certainly limits it.
Baker was a top 60-ish at some point IIRC and then he inexplicably slid down. Sometimes the services are weird. I knew you meant 2020-22, but I included 2019 intentionally because who they got in that class was a big part of why they only took two guys in the 2020 class. You can’t really evaluate the 2020 class without the context of the 2019 class.
Also, the ND OL vs. Bama/OSU DL etc. is again a numbers game. The 2022 cycle has 11 top 100 OL vs. 26 top 100 DL. 2021 had 18 vs. 21 (an unusually good year for OL, which again is why ND didn’t want to load up in 2020). 2020 had 12 vs. 23 (small ND class). 2019 had 17 vs. 21 (big ND class). DL numbers in the top 100 tend to be pretty consistent, OL goes up and down.
I agree that ND should be able to recruit OL very well, and I always want to see us do better than we are. I think recent OL recruiting has been very good, is all I’m saying. I wouldn’t get down on it and I think we’ve taken in the talent to continue having excellent OLs. But sure, better raw material is always a positive.
Great update!
Is it possible that the roommate comment meant that Nwankpa was a roommate with him already at a camp somewhere?
I think we are taking that a social media live chat comment a little too seriously. It’s a momentary surge of emotion, a typed emoji.
Also, any chance that the elite defensive recruiting that Freeman has done will have (or has had) an affect on the offensive recruiting? Maybe this happens by way of generating a kind of buzz or that even offensive players want to go to a great team and so even hearing about elite D prospects going is exciting for them?
RE: Nwankpa, people have wondered that and it’s a possibility. I can’t find any reference to either of them attending the same camp though. FWIW Kanu was also in the live stream – he commented “I call Notre Dame” before the announcement and congratulated CJ after.
RE: The Freeman question, hmmm, maybe. I think there’s a little bit of a rising tide lifts all boats effect, but generally when you’re talking opposite sides of the ball I would say it’s considerably less. Elite RBs, WRs, TEs, etc. like the idea of playing with elite QBs, but I think are less moved by playing with elite CBs, DBs, etc. There could be other things though – regional connections, 7-on-7 connections, personalities meshing, who knows. So many variables.
I think Freeman’s effect leads to a general “ND has a ton of momentum on the trail” vibe that kids can get excited about – the buzz you mentioned, moreso than elite offensive players wanting to play with elite defensive players.
Of the top 12 commits in 2022 that are top 250 in the 247 composite, 6 are offense and 6 are defense. Granted, Freeman deserves a lot of praise being as some of his recruits (Ford and Sneed, most notably) almost certainly and openly have said in essence that they wouldn’t have been committed to ND until Freeman got involved.
…But overall, the offensive recruiting is in a good spot with the commits of Williams and Merriweather.
I guess you may have a point since there’s a real chance ND gets three 5* on defense (Vernon, Bowen, Styles) in 2023, and offense isn’t likely to keep up there, but overall I think offense recruiting is a bit too sour in perception. They’ve been doing a pretty fine job in 2022 vs any previous Kelly years.
I think we could get the #1 RB and #1 WR and people will still be sour on offensive recruiting if we don’t pull a top 5 QB at some point. Doesn’t matter that we’re building well-rounded classes now; people won’t be satisfied until we hit that home run at QB.
It seems like any recent story that mentions Walker also notes that he has been taking other visits. This seems like it would be a warning that he is a decommitment waiting to happen, so I’m somewhat surprised to see that ND isn’t going harder after other WR recruits
Since Brendan has pretty much turned this I it aQ&A (thanks again) im curious what you think the minimum this years team needs to do to keep the momentum going? 11-2 with New Years six win? Seems OU did that last year a year after getting boatraced in the playoffs and is really really hot on 2023 trail. I’d be good with that
I would say 10-2 regular season – keep in mind that this class will probably be almost entirely wrapped up by the the end of the early signing period – will retain buzz for this year. I think a 10-3 season or better could be enough to maintain momentum for the 2023 cycle; IMO it’s probably 70/30 or something like that about the guys you have recruiting more than incremental changes in record.
Falling off the map is bad obviously, but for the 2023 and 2024 classes I’m not sure it matters much whether we go 12-1 or 11-2 or 10-3, certainly not as much as it matter that we have guys like Freeman, Elston, Mickens, O’Leary, and yes, Rees, Quinn, Taylor, and McNulty (I’ll add Del in there if he lands Carnell Tate) chasing them.
FWIW a lot of who you know as a good recruiter rests on how much that coach talks to recruiting beat guys. On the actual trail Rees has a really good rep (we trust our source implicitly on this) but he never talks off the record to the services so he doesn’t get mentioned/pumped up/etc. Chip Long, conversely, talked to all of them, which is partly why you heard so much about him.
Can’t say I’ve ever been this excited about ‘crootin. Thanks for the great update, Brendan!