The 2017 Close, If It Was On Steroids
The Irish staff closed the previous recruiting cycle with a flurry of activity; they busted their tails to snag a few key guys late and avert disaster. That close was impressive, but the way the staff closed elite prospects early and then snagged some potential contributors on the regular signing day was truly outstanding. If Kelly ensures that this kind of effort is the new norm, we should see improving returns over the next couple of cycles. The 2018 recruiting class should set the bar going forward.
The early signing period was certainly a major boon to Notre Dame this year, as all 21 at-the-time commits signed during the period. That allowed them to place intense focus on the handful of prospects still on the board. The period also came at a point in the cycle that was about two weeks before when the Irish lost Elijah Hicks last year. And about three weeks before they lost Elijah Hicks and Jordan Pouncey. And about four weeks before they lost Paulson Adebo. Obviously there were other factors in play during 2016, but the early signing period at least would’ve given the staff a clearer picture of how shaky some kids were.
Unusual Defensive Strength
The class didn’t include a five-star – more on that below – which was definitely a downer, but even so the strength of the defensive class is unmatched during Kelly’s tenure. There are four top 100 defenders in this class, counting #106 overall Derrik Allen (fair because Allen was stupidly dropped after the Army All-America week, when he saw his first action since breaking his hand during the season). To put that in perspective, coming into this year Notre Dame had signed just seven top 100 defensive players in seven full recruiting cycles under Kelly.
The four defenders are Houston Griffith (#70), Shayne Simon (#90), Jack Lamb (#99), and Derrik Allen (#106). Jayson Ademilola (#128) would’ve been the highest ranked in either of the last two classes, beating out Darnell Ewell (#147) in 2017 and Daelin Hayes (#133) in 2016. He would’ve just missed Shaun Crawford (#112) in 2015. Fifth.
The defensive class also features seven Opening finalists – in addition to the five mentioned above, Ovie Oghoufo (#546) and Ja’Mion Franklin (#570) got the call. That’s easily the most under Kelly and a good sign that defensive recruiting is at least trending in the right direction.
Coach Speak
If you have a few minutes, I highly recommend you at least scan the transcript of Brian Kelly’s signing day press conference. There’s a lot of good stuff in there, but a could of Kelly quotes caught my eye:
On Jeff Quinn and Terry Joseph closing guys with minimal contact:
Often real people, real people make a difference late. If you’re shallow and are not presenting yourself as genuine and authentic, you’re going to get squeezed out late in this process… Our why here is to develop our players holistically, and then prepare them for whatever that next step is. We use the Elmer Stanley representation on the offensive line. At the same year one guy takes his talents to the NFL, the other young man takes his talents to Washington, D.C. So that’s our model on the offensive line. Jeff is able to articulate that. Jeff is able to talk about that in homes in terms of building that relationship, and Terry is, as well, on his hand.On targeting John Dirksen:
We’re looking for offensive linemen… that will fit into the culture of our offensive line room. That’s a huge piece for us. Our offensive linemen are eminently involved in the recruiting process. They give us thumbs up and thumbs down on a lot of the guys that we’re recruiting. They are part of this recruiting process.
They first and foremost have to fit that room, and then we look at their potential, the developmental potential of that player, and John fits that for us.
The Dirksen quote was in the context of a question asking about specific guys who seemed to be lower-rated – Dirksen, Tommy Tremble, and Ja’Mion Franklin. What I thought was interesting about it was that current linemen are involved in the vetting process for recruits. Interesting HR-like approach there.
You can also check out the official Notre Dame signing day coverage at UND.com – they have bios and videos of all the players, interviews with the coaches, etc.
Class Rankings by Service
247 Composite: 10th (13 four-stars, 14 three-stars, .9005 average rating)
247: 10th (11 four-stars, 16 three-stars, 89.6 average rating)
Rivals: 11th (12 four-stars, 15 three-stars, 5.8 average rating)
ESPN: 8th (16 four-stars, 12 three-stars, 79.9 average rating)
Class Composition
Here are the number of signees by position.
QB – 1
RB – 2
WR – 4
TE – 2
OL – 4
SDE – 0
WDE – 1
DT – 2
LB – 4 (incl. Rover)
CB – 4-5
S – 2-3
K/PK – 0
The staff clearly wanted a strong-side end in this class, chasing first Thomas Booker, then Malik Langham, then Derrick Eason. Missing there is a potential problem for the 2019 season, which will be Khalid Kareem’s last. As of today there’s nobody to back Kareem up in 2019; Ade Ogundeji could bulk up, and DT signee Jayson Ademilola could possibly stay outside, but still, not great. The staff will need to hit the position hard in the 2019 cycle. The good news there is that Notre Dame is already in great shape with a number of four-star DL prospects for 2019.
The weak side is always a concern, of course, but I think they did OK there for the time being. Daelin Hayes, Julian Okwara, Kofi Wardlow, and Ogundeji all have multiple years of eligibility left. Signee Justin Ademilola will get a shot at WDE, and it’s entirely possible that one of the linebacker recruits will bulk up and move down to end. I wouldn’t cry about an instant impact guy in the 2019 cycle here either, though.
Otherwise, the balance in this class is outstanding. The staff addressed every position of need, including hitting a home run at defensive back.
The Super Official 18 Stripes Class Grades
As a reminder, here’s our standard grading scale for this exercise:
95-100: Truly elite prospect with All-American potential
90-94: Multi-year starter with All-conference level potential
85-89: Eventual starter with chance to play as underclassman
80-84: Raw prospect with decent potential but a couple years away from impact
75-79: Likely a backup
70-74: Reach by the coaching staff
Staff | Offense Grade | Defense Grade | Overall Grade |
---|---|---|---|
Brendan | 87.1 | 87.4 | 87.3 |
Eric | 85.8 | 85.0 | 85.4 |
Jaden | 86.6 | 86.7 | 86.7 |
Tyler | 86.4 | 86.0 | 86.2 |
Overall | 86.5 | 86.3 | 86.4 |
We noticed an interesting statistical item – we all think this class is better than last year’s, but our overall grades are lower across the board. I think we were probably just harder graders this year, but it caught my eye.
Also, I’ll note that Eric was the low man, as he is pretty much every year. Yet further evidence that the people out there (ahem) who think he’s a sunshine-pumper probably never actually bother to read his stuff. Which isn’t that surprising, really.
Offense Signees
247C Score | 18S Grade | Player | City/State | Ht/Wt | Pos | Stars | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
.9601 | 95 | Kevin Austin | Pompano Beach, FL | 6-3/198 | WR | * | * | * | * | |
.9593 | 93 | Phil Jurkovec | Gibsonia, PA | 6-5/215 | QB | * | * | * | * | |
.9174 | 93 | Braden Lenzy | Portland, OR | 6-0/175 | WR | * | * | * | * | |
.9031 | 87 | George Takacs | Naples, FL | 6-7/242 | TE | * | * | * | * | * |
.9026 | 84 | Lawrence Keys | New Orleans, LA | 5-10/160 | WR | * | * | * | * | |
.8912 | 86 | Jarrett Patterson | Mission Viejo, CA | 6-5/285 | OT | * | * | * | * | * |
.8902 | 81 | Micah Jones | Gurnee, IL | 6-5/206 | WR | * | * | * | * | |
.8797 | 86 | Tommy Tremble | Norcross, GA | 6-4/225 | TE | * | * | * | ||
.8776 | 83 | John Dirksen | Marla Stein, OH | 6-5/305 | OT | * | * | * | * | |
.8776 | 82 | Luke Jones | Little Rock, AR | 6-5/292 | OT | * | * | * | * | |
.8721 | 86 | Jahmir Smith | Sanford, NC | 6-0/205 | RB | * | * | * | ||
.8655 | 83 | Cole Mabry | Brentwood, TN | 6-6/275 | OT | * | * | * | ||
.8456 | 84 | C’Bo Flemister | Zebulon, GA | 5-11/197 | RB | * | * | * |
Defense Signees
247C Score | 18S Grade | Player | City/State | Ht/Wt | Pos | Stars | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
.9651 | 91 | Houston Griffith | Chicago, IL | 6-1/192 | CB | * | * | * | * | * |
.9567 | 96 | Shayne Simon | Pittsburgh, PA | 6-1/224 | ROV | * | * | * | * | * |
.9547 | 93 | Jack Lamb | Temecula, CA | 6-4/220 | ILB | * | * | * | * | * |
.9516 | 91 | Derrik Allen | Marietta, GA | 6-2/211 | S | * | * | * | * | * |
.9453 | 93 | Jayson Ademilola | Jersey City, NJ | 6-3/290 | DT | * | * | * | * | * |
.9015 | 83 | Matt Bauer | Erie, PA | 6-2/222 | ILB | * | * | * | * | * |
.8916 | 86 | Noah Boykin | Washington, DC | 6-2/170 | CB | * | * | * | * | * |
.8843 | 85 | Tariq Bracy | Milpitas, CA | 6-0/170 | CB | * | * | * | * | * |
.8802 | 84 | DJ Brown | Washington, DC | 6-1/185 | CB | * | * | * | * | * |
.8755 | 83 | Ovie Oghoufo | Farmington, MI | 6-3/215 | OLB | * | * | * | * | * |
.8742 | 84 | Ja’Mion Franklin | Ridgely, MD | 6-1/295 | DT | * | * | * | * | * |
.8709 | 79 | Justin Ademilola | Jersey City, NJ | 6-3/240 | WDE | * | * | * | * | * |
.8636 | 82 | Joe Wilkins | Fort Myers, FL | 6-2/180 | CB | * | * | * | * | * |
.8552 | 79 | Paul Moala | Mishawaka, IN | 6-0/200 | S | * | * | * | * | * |
Grading Out
Addressing Needs: B+
The lack of a strong-side end keeps this grade from being an A-. With a solid SDE and a tailor-made left tackle, I would’ve given it an A.
Home Run Factor: B+
Shayne Simon and Kevin Austin are both monsters with very high ceilings. Houston Griffith might be a bit closer to his ceiling, but he’s still really good. Jack Lamb and Jayson Ademilola have everything they need to be multi-year players. Phil Jurkovec could be legendary if it comes together for him. Braden Lenzy is potentially Will Fuller 2.0. There are no five-stars, which is what keeps this grade from being an A/A-, but the depth on the top end of this class is absolutely astounding.
Immediate Impact: B
This class is full of excellent players who might not get on the field in 2018 due to how much returning experience the Irish have. A big exception is Jahmir Smith, who will get a shot immediately given our RB situation. Otherwise, the class is full of good prospects who will get chance to get stronger and smarter before they’re pressed into action.
Class Comments
Corner recruiting returns with a vengeance.
The 2017 class notoriously included zero corners. The 2018 class didn’t just revert back to 2016 form, when the Irish signed Julian Love, Troy Pride, and Donte Vaughn, but it set a new standard. Swingman Griffith combined with Boykin, Brown, Bracy, and Wilkins to form a fantastic class. Boykin in particular was a a big win for Todd Lyght, who was relentless in his pursuit.
How did the flip battle end up?
In this cycle, we lost Kalon Gervin to Michigan State, Braden Lenzy to Oregon, Markese Stepp to USC, and Geordon Porter to Arizona State. On the other side of the ledger, we welcomed Lenzy back again, and took Griffith from Florida State, Boykin from Maryland, Brown from Virginia, Jones from Arkansas, and Flemister for Georgia Tech. I’d say it worked out pretty strongly in our favor this year.
The final couple of days were a real roller coaster. ‘Crootin.
After assuming forever that the Irish wouldn’t land #7 overall Nick Petit-Frere, there was late optimism right before signing day. Unfortunately it never materialized, as Ohio State won out and sent Irish fans into an existential crisis. Then there were reports that Jarrett Patterson was leaning to UCLA, and that SDE target and ND lean Derrick Eason might stick with his NC State commitment. Eason did stick with NC State, but that wasn’t really a huge loss. Patterson obviously chose wisely, Flemister, Brown, and Keys chose ND as expected, and Boykin provided the shock of the day when he surprised even the Irish staff by picking ND.
This stuff is not for the faint of heart.
How were Jeff Quinn and Terry Joseph on the recruiting trail?
First, in all fairness to them, they’ve been on the job less than a month. It would’ve been very difficult to show much in such a short time, but they did each show some promise. Quinn shored up Luke Jones’s commitment, stole Patterson from UCLA and Michigan, and took Ohio State down to the wire with Petit-Frere. He also hit the road hard to visit key 2019 OL targets. I’d say early returns are quite positive. Joseph, for his part, was a key part of closing Boykin and Brown; if that continues, he’ll live up to the reputation of a plus recruiter that he brought in.
Wrapping Up
Depending on how you look at it, this was probably either the best or second best class of Kelly’s tenure. The 2013 class, with Jaylon Smith, Max Redfield, and Greg Bryant (RIP), had more star power and was ranked higher, but this class has much more depth. I think this is far and away the best defensive class Kelly has signed at ND; Ademilola, Lamb, Simon, Griffith, and Allen give the Irish absolutely elite talents at each level of the defense. That just doesn’t happen.
The key now is to build on this. Recruiting effort and results since the post-2016 staff overhaul have trended upward substantially. The 2019 class is off to a great start, with three top 300 commits and possibly more on the way soon. The cycle’s first junior day a couple of weeks ago was a huge success, and the next one in a few more weeks should create a lot of buzz as well. Will the staff be able to capitalize on a 10-3, top 15 season and a strong 2018 close to carry momentum into the 2019 cycle?
We’ll leave you with a quick poll from the contributors to this post – a sort of mini-superlatives discussion.
Who will see the field the soonest?
- Brendan: Houston Griffith
- Eric: Kevin Austin
- Jaden: Shayne Simon
- Tyler: Houston Griffith
Who has the highest upside?
- Brendan: Shayne Simon
- Eric: Phil Jurkovec
- Jaden: Shayne Simon
- Tyler: Phil Jurkovec
Who’s your favorite offensive player?
- Brendan: Braden Lenzy
- Eric: Kevin Austin
- Jaden: Kevin Austin
- Tyler: Kevin Austin
(What can I say? I’m a sucker for speed.)
Who’s your favorite defensive player?
- Brendan: Shayne Simon
- Eric: Jayson Ademilola
- Jaden: Shayne Simon
- Tyler: Jack Lamb
The people who think Eric’s a sunshine-pumper probably never actually bother to read his stuff?
Well I guess we all have our blind spots.
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Who’s Eric?
Speaking of the duality of our fanbase, I just ran across this Braden Lenzy piece about his recruitment. Recommend if anyone hasn’t read it.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/braden-lenzy-college-announcement/
That was great! ND just st attracts some very intelligent and quality kids.
Great analysis. I think it’s probably a very good thing we signed such a big class – it might be particularly valuable if we have a particularly small class in the next couple years (cough *coaching change* cough).
I vaguely recall a recruiting look-ahead post at some point early in the cycle last year – how did that hold up compared to who we got? Any guys completely off-the-radar at this point last year that we landed?
Thanks! That look-ahead was Tyler’s – I believe he’s writing up something along the lines of what you asked, as well as a look-ahead for 2019.
Off the top of my head, Lamb, Boykin, Patterson, Brown, and of course the late offers weren’t on the radar a year ago. In hindsight I think there were other guys that weren’t on the public’s radar but were on the coaches’, like Keys and maybe Wilkins.
Don’t look now but Brian Kelly just went 10-3 AND signed a top 10 class.
Good stuff from all. A monster class of 27 brings it up to 89 right. Any ideas on how they’ll lose 4?
Heard Canteen was coming back, probably an agreement made when he came over but not sure why he was necessary in the first place. Seen some think Fertitta could lose his scholarship since he has a rich dad, but my thought would be that the billionaire family is the last family you want to disrespect or ask to pay tuition money now and risk losing donation money in the future. Maybe some down the depth chart get encouraged to seek other situations? Future expected “banner of doom” moments ahead? Davis sees the writing on the wall with Jurkovec as the future and already being mentioned as a starting contender?
I think Nicco probably has a scholarship to get the rich dad connected to the university. People might complain about not giving the scholarship to a different kid, but having Lorenzo affiliated with ND helps exponentially more kids than the one player who would get Nicco’s scholarship.
I think we’ll probably see one or two medical hardships. I’m guessing David Adams, who now has had two shoulder surgeries in the last year-ish, could be one of them. I think the staff has been very effective in the last year or so at conveying to kids what their playing time situation will be. They’re not going to run anyone off who wants to be a part of the program and wants to meet the standards of it, but if the kid wants to play they’re going to be honest about whether that’s going to happen at ND or not. People can differ on whether that’s good or bad, but as long as we’re not actively cutting non-performers (which we’re not), I’m fine with it. The kid can make an informed decision on what’s most important to him personally – the ND degree, or playing time.
Long way of saying, yeah, it’s possible some of the kids who are buried will move on. Sophomores or juniors who never get mentioned are probably a likely pool.
True. And I have no problem with how they’re going about doing this, seems about as ethical as a big time football program can be in this day and age. Given how they literally can’t get to 85 anyways just due to the natural attrition it makes sense to shoot for 87-90 at this point of the year and then it will whittle away as it always does.
BTW, I didn’t catch this in Kelly’s presser yesterday – he mentioned that they’re looking at Luke Jones as an interior guy, which is interesting: “Luke gives us great versatility, can play the guard position, can play center. We were looking for that. In particular an inside guy that had that versatility.”
I’d like to see a little more aggressiveness from him, but physically he probably has a higher ceiling inside than out. Kelly also mentioned Patterson as possibly landing at tackle or guard – I like him as a RT, so I agree. Which I know BK likes to hear.
I watched the highlights of C’Bo. I liked what I saw, but I kept getting caught up in the fullbacks. Those dudes were crushing people.
I also watched all of the coaches talk. Quinn sounds like an O-line coach. Direct and no nonsense.
HARRRUMMMPH!
Caught up in the what? Are those the guys who answer random questions about the Olympics and crap like that? What do they have to do with football highlights?
I know right? I’ll admit it. I am kind of a RTDB guy..
There were only two options in life for Quinn–OL coach or Jersey garbage man.
The exciting part of this defensive class is how dispersed the talent is across the three levels. Yes, we didn’t sign any legitimate DE’s, but we absolutely bolstered the DT position, have maybe our best LB haul ever(?), and stockpiled the secondary including upper echelon guys like Derrik Allen and Houston Griffith.
In the summer time, it looked like the cornerback class could be a huge disappointment following the disaster from last year. We had lost Gervin and Griffith, and we weren’t in a great position for many guys. You can’t credit Todd Lyght enough for this crew he’s bringing to South Bend. Griffith, Boykin, Brown, Wilkins, Bracy. Not one of them is a reach and it’s easy to imagine any of them emerging. Just a spectacular job.
I love getting numbers in recruiting. I feel like 3 guys in that 300-500 range has the same expected value as a top 200 guy.
Great write-up – I like this class, but was hoping that ND would break through with some 5 stars – but I cannot complain with that many top 106 players (especially on D)!
In terms of ratings, I tend to gravitate toward Eric as I know that we as fans tend to be overly optimistic with new recruits. History has shown us that there will be plenty of career back-ups and a couple of Max Redfields / Gunner Kiels (highly rated but nothing good for ND). Did the 18S staff have any thoughts about which highly rated recruit has the highest bust likelihood?
It wasn’t necessarily discussed, but if we’re talking about blue-chip busts, I guess I’d have to go with Jurkovec as most likely. I say that only because of the recent history with QB play and/or regression at Notre Dame.
By no means do I expect him to be a bust, but if you made me choose, I’d say Phil is a reasonable guess.
Please explain to me our recent history of QB regression. I know it gets thrown around a lot, not just by you, but no one has ever actually brought up stats to backup this narrative. Here are the QB stats from any QB under BK with more than 1 year of starting.
I see one year of slight regression from Kizer. And one year of decreased % from TFR (who is both TFR and had missed a season on the bench).
QB Stats at ND (att, comp%, Yds, Y/A, TD, INT, Rating):
Golson
’12: 318, 58.8%, 2405, 7.5, 12, 6, 131.0
’14: 427, 60.0%, 3445, 8.1, 29, 14, 143.6
Kizer
’15: 334, 62.9%, 2880, 8.6, 21, 10, 150.1
’16: 361, 58.7%, 2925, 8.1, 26, 9, 145.6
Rees
’10: 164, 61.0%,1106, 6.7, 12, 8, 132.0
’11: 269, 65.5%, 2871, 7.0, 20, 14, 133.4
’13: 224, 54.1%, 3257, 7.9, 27,13, 135.4
Yeah, I agree, I think it says more about the individual than anything. The narrative is annoying and probably not true. Kizer pressed too much in ’16 on a bad team with almost no weapons, had he come back for ’17 there’s every reason to believe he would have had a wonderful year and really laid a lot of that to rest.
But I do think it’s fine to think Jurkovec the biggest bust potential of the class. BK declared him the top QB in the nation coming out of high school. Even if that’s just tire pumping it’s not very far from the truth- Jurkovec is definitely at least one OF the best QB’s in the class right now. Pretty big risk that in 3-4 years he might not develop into one of the best players through college, regardless of the coaching he’ll receive QB is going to be a boom/bust position.
Oh, I totally agree Jurkovec is the biggest bust candidate. QBs in general bust at insanely high rates. Just another reason to bring one in every year.
Man, I wish Kizer came back for 2017, and bet he does too. What could have been.
I can’t fault anyone with a first round draft grade to go*, especially a QB since they go higher than they should. Didn’t do himself favors with his workouts, combine and dropped to the 2nd to a team that would start him from week 1…When literally every scout said “good prospect but needs some time, will fail if you start from week 1”.
With benefit of hindsight, sure come on back but he went to the worst situation possible and didn’t even get first round money. Gotta feel for that.
*also shouldn’t there be some kind of insurance with the nfl advises a kid he’s a 1st rounder, he comes out and gets picked late in the 2nd? He made his own luck, sure, and I’m sure they pad it with “likely” and “projected” and all sorts of stuff but that burns a kid a little when they over-project recklessly.
They also had 2013 TFR throw vertical more, which is why his completion rate went way down but his yards per attempt went up. I’m not sure exactly what the reasoning was, unless maybe it was “well, we’ve tried everything else, might as well.” Can’t have been all bad, though, since it got us a win over Dantonio’s best MSU team.
Good stuff man, and I agree. It’s essentially an urban legend that “just makes sense,” so it gets a life of its own.
Due to all that, his yds per completion jump was kind of insane.
’11: 10.7
’13: 14.5
Baker Mayfield 2015: 3700yds, 269 completions = 13.8 yds/completion!
He can keep his 68%, 9.4 Y/A, and 36/7, I want TFR’s season!
Well, when the defense was employing the rush 4, drop 8, the card says to throw deep with a popgun arm.
Thank you
Probably could’ve used the terminology of “lack of progression” rather than “regression”. Everett had more on his plate the second year and put up much bigger numbers, but his TD/INT didn’t improve and he fumbled 8 times. I would categorize 22 turnovers as a regression considering it cost us games.
Kizer was more of a situation of not getting any better in year two per se.
Wimbush showed absolutely no signs of improvement over the course of the season and his third year on campus.
So maybe regression isn’t the right word, but QB’s have left ND leaving more of a sour taste in our mouths rather than sweet.
Again, not saying Phil will be a bust by any means, but the history of QB’s under BK gives me more qualms than other positions.
Not sure if he qualifies as highly rated, but with one giant Manti Te’o-y exception, my sense is that guys who make last-minute, somewhat impulsive decisions to go to ND don’t tend to pan out all that well, particularly when the worry from their end is that they’re not ND type guys (e.g., Tee Sheperd, Aaron Lynch, Ishaq Williams, etc.). To that end, then, I’d be a little skeptical about Boykin. But I hope he made the right call for him and us, and everyone’s happy.
Well… Taking anyone in the back half of the class is kind of silly, as those guys all have naturally lower floors based on what we know now. On the front half of the class, I don’t know. I think the floor is really high on Griffith, Allen, Ademilola, Lamb, Simon, Austin, and Lenzy. Meaning even if they don’t develop as expected, they should still be meaningful contributors – more Rhema McKnight than Justin Brent.
I’ll second nd09hls12’s concern on Boykin; if he had concerns about fitting in (that was the buzz, not sure if it’s true or not), that’s something to watch.