Thanks to Marcus Freeman, our long (48 hour) national nightmare is over. Brian Kelly sent shockwaves through the Notre Dame fan base and raised eyebrows around the country when he bolted South Bend for Baton Rouge on Monday. Once upon a time, the school known for glacially-paced background checks may have run a search for a replacement that would let the paint not just dry but be manufactured, canned, shipped, sold, used, and then dry several times over while the college football world spun around it. This time Notre Dame showed that times have changed, that it’s willing to make bold moves and make them quickly.
While an official announcement might take a bit longer, word leaked out today that Marcus Freeman will succeed the man who snatched him away from LSU’s Brinks truck last year and coquettishly tooted that truck’s horn this year. Multiple national sources have leaked the news, perhaps none more reputable on the subject than IrishSportsDaily and FootballScoop’s John Brice:
#BREAKING @Marcus_Freeman1 will be next @NDFootball coach; announcement imminent tonight: https://t.co/vEUrTcSOJY @FootballScoop
— John Brice (@JohnDBrice1) December 2, 2021
And credit where credit is due – the first reliable scoop came from none other than former WOPU spokesman Mick Assaf, who was actually credited by The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman for this tweet:
I can now confirm through multiple sources that Marcus Freeman will become the next Head Coach at the University of Notre Dame.
All eyes now turn to Tommy Rees who is deciding between LSU and Notre Dame. #PayTommyRees
— Mick Assaf (@mickassaf) December 1, 2021
A groundswell of support for Freeman started to build almost immediately among former, current, and future players on social media. Reports floated around from long-time Irish beat reporters like Pete Sampson and Tom Loy that there was momentum for Freeman inside the administration as well. Freeman is a departure from what Swarbrick has said in the past, that previous head coaching experience is a sine qua non for any Notre Dame coaching candidate – but Freeman is also a different kind of candidate. In his short time on campus he has reportedly blown away everyone he’s come across with his charisma and energy. Fans started tossing around the “Head Coach In Waiting” tag months before he ever did anything on the field.
Then we saw the on-field results… Freeman posted roughly the same quality of defense that the beloved Clark Lea had the last couple of years, despite losing Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Ade Ogundeji, Daelin Hayes, Shaun Crawford, and Nick McCloud to graduation, losing Marist Liufau, Paul Moala, and Shayne Simon early in the season, and losing Kyle Hamilton for the second half of the season. Freeman’s defense set a new sack record for the now-closed Brian Kelly Era; the 40 sacks in 12 games this year ranks seventh nationally and is already ahead of the 13-game total of 34 set in 2018 and 2019. The 33.1% third down conversion rate is behind only 2019 and 2020 in the Kelly Era. The squad’s 15 interceptions are one short of the 13-game Kelly record of 16, logged in both 2012 and 2014.
Freeman has also been a monster on the recruiting trail. He’s landed commitments from three five-star defenders in the 2022 and 2023 classes; from 2010 through 2020, Notre Dame landed four defensive five stars total, all in the 2011 and 2013 classes. The 2022 Irish linebacker class is unquestionably the best in the country, with all four commits making the Butkus Award semifinalist group. He was instrumental in stealing blue-chip defensive end Tyson Ford away from Oklahoma. And he has the Irish as more than just a hat on the table with more top recruits than I can remember in my long time of following Notre Dame football.
There are risks, of course. The primary one is that, as noted above, Freeman has never been a head coach before. Some previous coordinator elevations – looking at you, Charlie Weis and Bob Davie – were chewed up and spit out by the meat grinder that is the Notre Dame job. Davie even traveled the exact path that Freeman now has, although he never understood or appreciated the school the way Freeman seems to. How Freeman fills out his staff will be key; Weis, for example, was probably struck a significant blow when planned quarterbacks coach and long time head coach David Cutcliffe had to back out due to health issues. Who from the current staff will be retained? Who moves on by choice? Who moves on involuntarily? Who are the new faces, and what roles do all faces, new and old, end up with? Will Freeman have enough and appropriate shoulders to lean on when he isn’t sure about something?
Still, at the end of the day, there’s just so much upside to this decision from Notre Dame. Any head coaching hire at any program comes with the stark reality that you might have to hit the reset button in three years. With the program as healthy and stable as it’s been in 30 years, why not roll the dice on the guy who has a high ceiling, is a phenomenal recruiter, and has made a huge impression on everyone who has crossed his path so far? Is the risk that comes with tabbing a mid-level Power 5 coach or high-performing Group of 5 coach really any lower?
Finally, we would be remiss if we didn’t note that this is a big move for non-football reasons. There are only seven Black head coaches in Power 5 football, eleven in FBS. Marcus Freeman is highly qualified for all sorts of football reasons, but he’s also half-Black and half-Korean, two ethnicities that are underrepresented in coaching ranks and that face discrimination outside of the game. Notre Dame often – and correctly – is proud of what it fights for around the world, as you can tell from any NBC halftime show. It can correctly be proud of making a Black and Asian man the face of its storied program as well. From a purely practical standpoint, don’t think the impact of that will go unnoticed on the recruiting trail either. Notre Dame faces a lot of negative recruiting from other programs for being too white, fair or not; those pitches are a lot harder to make now.
As for the rest of the assistants who used to work for The Coach Who Shall Not Be Named, there may be much less turnover than you might expect. First, word got out yesterday that Notre Dame retained strength and conditioning coach Matt Balis, which was interesting for two reasons: Balis was arguably the most critical piece of the post-2016 rebuild, particularly if you listen to the players, and any outside candidate would almost assuredly want control over who the strength coach is. Many head coaches consider that role one of the most important in a program. Notre Dame moving quickly to lock down Balis suggested that someone was very close to being in the head coach’s chair already. (Wink wink nudge nudge say no more eh!)
Tonight Matt Fortuna, Pete Thamel, Ross Dellinger, and others reported that Tommy Rees turned down Kelly to stay at Notre Dame as offensive coordinator. McNulty is a Rees guy and so is all but certain to stay as well. Freeman’s good friend and previous hire Mike Mickens will certainly stay. One would also imagine that Chris O’Leary, who Freeman hired, would stay, and likely Nick Lezynski, who Freeman convinced eleven months ago not to take the Vanderbilt linebacker job, would be elevated to a full position coach role.
Brian Polian, on the flipside, will almost definitely be gone; he has drawn interest both from Kelly at LSU and from a few FCS schools for a head coach job, with early indications that he would be more likely to take a head job somewhere. Nobody seems to have a good read on any of the remaining assistants; where Lance Taylor, Mike Elston, Jeff Quinn, and Del Alexander will end up is anyone’s guess at this point.
The Irish program took a gut punch when Brian Kelly left Art Modell style, no doubt. To the administration’s credit, they straightened back up and came out swinging immediately with this decision. We couldn’t be more excited about what the future might hold for new Notre Dame head coach Marcus Freeman.
What a world.
::Insert pic of CMF, Tommy, Balis & Savvy Jack drinking Coors Lights at Patty’s::
8:30 on a Monday
The Gang Starts a New Era
::Cue theme music::
I’ve got your theme music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EwgKTI3wz8
Perfect theme music!!!!! (well, if we could joust VideoShop the two glimpses of He Who Shall Not Be Named Out). Anyway, REALLY thanks for this, made me jump up and scream “Love You Notre Dame” at my neighbors, who being French are kind of startled…
OK, thanks Drick! I am just waking up in Paris, so, awesome…except Coor’s Light?? Tommy thinks we can do better than that! (to quote Rocky Horror)
Do the words “Kitten Mittens” mean anything to you?
https://twitter.com/ndfootball/status/1466217910989430787?s=21
WE LOVE YOU TOO TOMMY
Yes we do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The hell is this By By Birdie shit
This is great! I could only hear Tommy though, some dust got in my eyes…ughhh…go away dust.
This has been such a weird g*d damn ride I’m not quite sure what I feel/think, but one of the predominant feelings is deep excitement/intrigue. Freeman’s truly an exciting hire in a way no other coach has been. Kelly was def a home run hire in 2009, but Freeman has an “it” factor that might capture a certain bit of the cultural zeitgeist of the moment that someone like Kelly couldn’t. Keeping Rees and Balis and a lot of other continuity, I’m here for it.
Yea it’s hard not to feel that Kelly got us to his ceiling (as everyone has been saying) and Freeman has the talent to get us higher. Whether he will or not is another question but I’m happy to take the risk with such potential.
Yeah. And with all due respect to Fickell, who is a very good coach…Freeman’s already on step 1 with his 2022 and 2023 recruiting, which would have disappeared. Not saying “bow to the kids and hire him because of that”, but it’s a pretty important level he’s already in the process of getting to. He’ll hit the ground running a lot faster.
Freeman has some unknowns like running the team during a game, making pressure calls as HC, managing all the elements off field as the CEO type (a part of the job Swarbrick mentioned highly as an important part), dealing with a lot of the stuff that comes along with being Notre Dame coach. It’ll be a lot.
But it’s definitely a gamble worth taking right now for ND. No other choice, really.
Yup, exactly. I’m excited to have an ace recruiter for a head coach.
Totally!
Bruce Feldman tweeting Freeman expected to be named HC! Such an exciting moment
Do we think Freeman will continue to call the defense or because he is such an inexperienced head coach he will give up those duties?
It also seems difficult for a new head coach to give up the play-calling duties that more or less got him the gig in the first place.
It’ll be interesting to see. I would think they should want to keep his plate as clean as possible for in-game management, especially being new. In the ideal world, I think they’d have Elston + Mickens as sort of co-assistant DC or something like that (maybe similar to the Rees/Taylor pass game/run game split) and hopefully those two will have enough gameplanning from Freeman to call the game defensively that he would be comfortable with.
But maybe it goes the other way and Freeman is still active in defensive playcalling or at least giving live instructions on how he wants them to adjust on the fly.
If I were still a student, I’d be in Stonehenge right now!
All right boys, let’s go!
The difference between BK introducing himself to the LSU team and them looking disinterested and uninspired vs the upcoming video of CMF being introduced to his team is going to be awesome.
BK going 0-fer on assistant coaches so far is hilarious too.
I’m really kind of surprised about Tommy, because you think of him as Kelly’s guy. Excited to see what he can do with more autonomy.
Notre Dame’s guy. He’s apparently declined interest in the Duke HC job, too.
Never saw if that was a legit thing or just “interest.” But if so, cool.
Yea is there really going to be *no one* from ND who ends up with Kelly at LSU?
I think that would actually be kind of stunning and unheard of (esp. from a coach going from one blue blood to another). I mean I think it’s relatively common for a coordinator maybe to even bring one assistant with him let alone a head coach.
How many has Riley taken to USC? 3-5?
A couple of podcasts today referenced that when Saban left Sparty for LSU, he sent a plane back for assistant coaches and no one got on. And I think he did okay for himself. So maybe it doesn’t mean much in the long run, but…
haha, wow interesting story for sure.
Yea it doesn’t necessarily mean Kelly will do poorly. It just seems to indicate the kind of relationship he had with those guys.
Wonder what Elston will do – wasn’t he the closest or been around the longest with Kelly?
It honestly may be better for him. New region to target.
I mean I think it’s important to have more LSU regional guys but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t have brought an assistant or two with him.
And again I didn’t mean to imply it’s going to be bad for him in any way. He can find a bunch of good coaches to coach with him at LSU. I just thought it said something about the other coaches and his relationship with them.
That said if he’s run out of BR in 3 years I won’t feel bad for him one lick. I’ll be keeping an eye on that with popcorn on hand.
I’ll bring you champagne to drink with the popcorn, KG!
Gotta love it!
Not sure anyone would have thought Diggs came from Louisiana to South Bend because of Kelly in the first place, so why would there be “rumors” Diggs would follow him back? Another possible feather in the cap, though.
Because right down til the moment he committed people were worried he was going to flip to LSU and this was another clear chance if he wanted back
Because people outside the program assume a coach has connections with his players, which time and again we’re hearing that BK didn’t.
LOL y’all left and I was like “it’s announced, why did the comments get so quiet in here?”
There are too many articles, the threads are all separated, can we condense this to one thread. (Not sure how to do sarcasm font here)
Notre Dame fans seem to be happier today than they were on Sunday before all this nonsense started.
Ironically, Kelly might have sent the program to the moon in 2021 by: convincing Freeman to come to Notre Dame at the beginning of the year and then himself (Kelly) leaving at the end of the year.
And in the delicious twist of fate, LSU ends up with Kelly as HC instead of Freeman as DC. Good luck, y’all!
I’m going to have to tune into Feinbaum and LSU radio just for this.
I read about 10 comments on the LSU SB Nation site and it made me very pleased. Probably a third already hate BK. A third are all meh. A third are excited. The fact that a coach as good as BK is generating giant shrugs, when the next best option at coach for them would be…no idea really…unless they are just disappointed about missing out on Riley…makes me feel better about him leaving.
I feel like that was the same breakdown of ND fans. And agree with everyone the excitement from 90+% of ND fans on our hire makes me grin from ear to ear.
Most probably hate ND and it’s coach so it’s a bit of a transition for them.
They’ve spent the last forever talking about how we’re no good and can’t hang in the SEC, hard to downshift into talking about why we’d be good enough that they’d want our coach.
You heard it hear first! LOL
He had and deleted an even more telling tweet that was like “everything works out in the end” with a smile. Made a return seem really likely, so probably good in the heat of the moment to walk that back a little and not get people’s hopes too high up.
Mike Mickens is back at ND per messages being received by Driskell live during the IB podcast.
“The Coach Who Shall Not Be Named”
I think you mean the Second Winningest Coach in ND History. There’s room enough in my heart for spite and boundless excitement.
On the other hand, Tommy F. Rees did in fact do nothing wrong.
😂 This username made a lot more sense in 2014
I mean, mine is shortened to KG and we’ll not explore that any more. We’ll also ignore that my login here references Deshawn Kizer.
I mean… I did name him a few times.
And he’s also the losingest coach in ND history. Complicated guy.
Absolutely hilarious that we got ditched by our head coach and will be probably the second-most excited program for our new coach going into the year.
Yup, it’s a good place to be.
Tweet worth reading: Jeff Quinn’s Wikipedia page has been updated.
If you check the actual wiki page it has not been updated. Is that a way for O’Malley to say he thinks that Quinn *is* going to LSU?
Wikipedia user Rodw edited the LSU job onto Jeff Quinn’s page, and user Joeykai reverted it. I think O’Malley snipped it when it was changed and then joked that you can’t believe everything you see on Wikipedia.
Guys… O’Malley tweeted that with a link to a YouTube clip of Michael Scott saying what an awesome source Wikipedia is because anyone can write anything. Tim’s not saying what people think he’s saying.
So both espn and Pete thamel are reporting that an offer is coming. Does that mean it isn’t official or those steps are formalities?
Doubt they’d report it if it wasn’t multiple source confirmed.
Also, Prister and O’Malley are reporting that Elston is expected to stay too.
This to me is a big deal. Elston has been around ND for a long time, really gave recruiting a shot in the arm with the social media blitzes, and will potentially be the new DC. If not DC then he can keep doing his thing and be a steady counsel for Freeman as he adjusts.
Elston and Taylor remaining at ND, and that completes the exact staff I said I wanted to keep. Freeman, Balis, Elston, Rees, Taylor. We win.
So we got Freeman, Balis, Elston, Rees, and Taylor. Which happens to be the list of five coaches I really wanted to keep yesterday. Plus McNulty and Mickens, two more good ones to keep.
Here’s a good old fashion rumor like the kind we were sharing a few hours ago: ND may be moving to bring Chris Watt back to South Bend as Offensive Line Coach.
Are you saying Elston and Taylor are confirmed returning?
Both have been confirmed by reputable sources within the last few minutes, yes.
BK gonna end up with just Quinn and Del in Baton Rouge, lol.
Wow it’s easier to talk about who is leaving? Talk about continuity and stability.
So who are we losing?
Quinn? Polian? Del?
Elston now confirmed by Elston himself:
https://twitter.com/CoachMikeElston/status/1466248833290149897
I think just those three, yeah.
I don’t think I’ve been this excited for a post-season game before. It’s like getting a new toy and wanting to see it in action.
Before then we need Freeman, et al. close strong on the 2022 recruiting trail. Is there any chance that a new prospect would be interested or put us from #2 or #3 now with Freeman at the helm? If so, who would that be?
What’s the timeline for hiring 3 more coaches then? It would seem for post-season play and recruiting you’d want to do that ASAP.
Never thought I would love a guy who went to Michigan, but here we are. Really happy Elston is staying.
Agreeance the same way. Mike E gets it! And you have to LOVE the D-Line he has created.
This is SO awesome! I was really worried about Elston, Balis, and Taylor (and of course Freeman). To get them all back, plus Mickins and McNulty is fantastic!
Polian is taking the HC job at Lafayette (PA, not LA)
Did you see that confirmed? I haven’t seen anything yet.
have seen it from Prister & O’Malley and at least one other source.
Good for him. I have nothing against Polian and always felt like he did a good job at ND. Special teams were solid if not spectacular. We never lost games because of them (at least I can’t think of any?) We could have done a lot worse than BP.
Didn’t we fumble a punt vs Cincy?
Kickoff, but yeah. Three turnovers in the first 18 minutes of the game. I wouldn’t pin that loss on Tyree’s fumble but it sure as hell didn’t help.
Tyree obviously also won us one when the broke the floodgates open against Wisconsin.
Coverage by and large has been very good. Punting has been very good. Punt returns, contrary to what many people think, have been fine (not going to get into this with anyone, just look up “spread punt formation” and how it’s changed things). Placekicking has been mostly excellent.
I think Polian is fine as a ST coach, but I also think ST coaches are not the hardest to replace.
Ooh, I’ve got a new good source for the Elston one:
Ha, beat me to it by a few seconds.
Was just coming to post this. Too busy cleaning the kitchen I’m behind.
Priorities man. Gotta get them right.
Elston confirmed his return himself, Taylor has been confirmed by multiple sources.
Del is the only one we’ve heard absolutely nothing about.
I will sh*t bricks if we can upgrade from Alexander to Brian Hartline.
Yeah, that’s not happening. The only way Hartline would leave OSU is for an OC job. I think we could replace him with OSU GA Keenan Bailey, though, who is a very popular guy and an ND alum.
Look, we’re on a roll, let me dream a little, okay? LOL
AP coming through with the big story.
I mean, to be fair we’d all like to forget the Willingham era…
Right? Straight down the memory hole.
I am curious if Tyrone is going to be fired up with an anti-ND rant for the committee this weekend or if he’ll be too lazy to come up with something.
I don’t know that he really cares, does he?
Flaming out at UW kinda takes all the wind out of any anger sails.
I’ve got nothing good to say about Tyrone and it rankles that he’s on the CFP selection committee.
Yeah, all the criticism of ND for firing him early dropped off when he went 0-fer at UW.
Oddly enough seeing comments about it crop up on places like the Athletic. I’m like man, if you think that’s an apt comparison you know nothing about either of these two people besides their skin pigmentation.
Also, the # of “Bob Davies” comments…I was a junior when Davie was hired and the collective reaction was “what?!? WHY??” not what we’re seeing with Freeman.
Reminds me of Candide in Intro to Philo 101
Glad somebody else took that course! Good to see your post, HCH!
Candide is a great book!
NERRRRRRRRRRD
Don’t buy this for a second. Texts from whom? Not anyone who’s working with Freeman, I would think.
Probably some random casual who doesn’t know CFB and sees Notre Dame is hiring a 35-year old assistant and can’t imagine how that happened or how it could be a good idea.
He’s just tweeting out the plan. Smh.
Christ O’Leary will return as safety coach to keep the seat warm while Coach Kyle does his NFL stint.
Since everything we’ve manifested has come to pass today, would it be too greedy to squeeze in a last minute request to announce Nick Lezynski as ND LB coach as well?
Bo Bauer was tweeting #payNickLezynski
And saw speculation that since MF brought him on that he’d stay,
The way the media talks, it sounds like Lezynski is very well-regarded and valued by ND, so maybe that is possible or even likely he will.
Him and O’Leary are a step down in importance from the other totally key names, but keep them and I believe that literally wraps up any coach of meaning.
Same message (wish I could find it, but can’t now) said same for O’Leary.
And lots of chatter about hiring Chris Watt as OL coach, but I don’t know if that’s real or just simply fever dreams.
From what I saw, mostly fan fever dreams, but Prister said that Quinn definitely won’t return so it sounds like there will be an opening. Maybe Freeman can recruit Harry and promise him that Rees will have to do all the recruiting for him? (If we’re talking fan fever dreams)
Harry’s not coming back, for all kinds of reasons. If Quinn is in fact gone I’m sure Freeman and Rees will put a good search together for a replacement.
Gotcha. Yeah, I’m not too concerned about finding a capable OL coach for this program.
Prister has a grudge against Quinn, and ISD reported he’s staying at least through the end of the season. I think we probably want to kick the tires on some potential upgrades, but I wouldn’t think Watt would actually be an upgrade.
(looks at first 5 games of season)
Yeah, I have a grudge against Quinn too.
The angst over the first half of the season is way overblown IMO. We were replacing four drafted guys who had played the majority of snaps the past two or three seasons. Left tackle was a mess due to injury. Coan sacked himself more often than not. The line finished the year very strong and Quinn should get plenty of credit for that, as well as how solid the line has been overall in his tenure.
Plus freshman offensive linemen don’t really work out too well for anyone, though I think there’s a good argument we should never be in the place to have to play freshman linemen anyway
Agreed we shouldn’t be in that position, but gotta take into consideration Hiestand’s role in getting us to that point. The only player worth a damn from the ’18 class is Patterson, who Quinn landed at the last minute.
Perhaps.
But there’s a reason he’s in the “he’s not staying? Well, good bye, then” pile and not the “OMG can’t let him leave” pile.
IMO that reason is people irrationally hate him because he coached with Kelly before the 2016 Kellyaissance.
so did Elston.
Elston has been here the whole time and took over for a coach nobody liked though. Plus people like Prister in the media have had a very obvious grudge against Quinn from the beginning and many people take their opinions from those sources uncritically.
Ok.
This is a fine conversation. Isn’t changing my position that if/when Quinn is announced as moving on, I won’t be sad, unlike if that were the case with many of the other assistants.
I definitely think we can upgrade from Quinn, I think we could theoretically upgrade over every coach probably. I just think he’s much better than a replacement-level OL coach and we shouldn’t move on from him until we know for sure we have an upgrade in hand.
I think it could be argued that recruiting at OL should be slightly better overall than it has been under Quinn. We have had more OL drafted in the last 10 years that all but one other team I think I read. On top of that, several are All-Pros. Yes, we got Fisher, Spindler (who everyone is high on) and uncovered a gem in Alt, but we should be getting top 50 OL prospects to give us more of a look than they currently are.
No.
(Jokes aside, I strongly suspect this will happen.)
Matt Freeman at ISD reports that Quinn is telling people he’s staying, but his long term prospects here seem rather fuzzy (reading between the lines on my part).
If you have an ISD sub, check the full post here:
https://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/66716
If you don’t have, get one.
We have a source-off (kind of – they’re not actually inconsistent) – II saying Quinn not expected back.
If this really ends up with just Kelly, Quinn, and Alexander leaving the program and literally everyone else staying, what a freaking coup by Swarbrick. Or an un-coup? What is the right word for this?
An upgrade?
I said it elsewhere but it seems less like Kelly bolted and more like there was a coup.
VIVA LA REVOLUCION
Yeah, I agree that they’re not inconsistent. Quinn could well be staying through the postseason *and* not expected back at the same time. In fact I suspect that’s the most likely scenario. I have no idea if Kelly wants him at LSU, but if he does, it’s no sure thing that Quinn would want to start over on the bayou at 59 years old. Maybe he’s tired and wants to chill. Maybe Freeman will want to keep him on. I don’t know.
For the record, I think he’s not the best guy out there but he’s an above average coach and a well above average recruiter; since that can be a very effective combo, I would be OK with keeping him on. I would be OK with moving on too though.
You think it’s worth the cost? Why?
ISD? They’re excellent. Our old buddy and former avocational colleague, Jamie Uyeyama, has the best analysis by far on the ND beat. Not a knock on other guys, Jamie is just really good. Matt and Christian do a great job on recruiting coverage. Mike Frank is as dialed in to the ND admin as anyone out there.
They’re not always first, but that’s not their thing. Depth of coverage is their thing, and they’re very good at it.
I listen to their podcast and in general like them, but they’re 3rd for me after Pete & Matt at the Athletic and then Tim & Tim (and Pete) at II. I only subscribe to the Athletic–grad student budgets and all–but listen to those podcasts and many of the national ones. Mike can get kinda whiny at times but Jamie is top notch and Mike isn’t too bad most of the time, and when he’s not whiny he’s very good.
Fortuna is the wooooooorst. Sampson is good. I wish they could find him a better co-host; Fortuna brings nothing of value and, to make it worse, delivers it poorly.
Never really listened to Power Hour or the II pod, but I know they have lots of dedicated listeners. I can’t stand Prister honestly; he’s morphed into Phil Mushnick. (If you live in the NYC area and you’re a sports fan over say 30 you know who this guy is.) (It’s not a compliment.) O’Malley is OK.
Mike can get kinda cranky sometimes, but he’s seen a lot of stuff at ND over the years so I get it, lol.
I used to subscribe to ISD. Only stopped because I was spending too much time there. Definitely recommend it if you want to spend hours everyday reading about ND (I mean this in a good way). They have tons of threads that are always active and get really solid, detailed info. And they are great guys (ever since they got rid of Driskell).
I have never subscribed to any other sites, so can’t compare. But definitely give ISD two thumbs up if you are looking for a subscription.
For what it’s worth, I used to sub to both ISD and 247 and now I only sub to ISD.
In a conversation unrelated to football, someone said to me recently that we seem to have come to undervalue things like enthusiasm and optimism as a means to success in favor of more cold and calculated strategies.
It reminded me of something I read years ago, also unrelated to football, about film studios. It was some article about how film studios were increasingly run, not by film makers, but by MBA types, and as a result earnings had improved and become more stable. Studios focused more on reliable earners like sequels, reboots and proven formulas and avoided potential big budget flops.
The downside is of course that so many great films come from bold, original scripts that carry a risk of just not working out or finding an audience.
When ND hired Kelly, the program was in a tailspin. It was wise to hire someone with a track record of hyper-competent management, and he delivered. I think that is also why ND has seemed to plateau somewhere short of being able to compete with the handful of truly elite teams. That’s exactly where ND sits in terms of resources dedicated to football.
Hiring Freeman signals a mindset of, okay, the ships not on fire anymore, the masts are rebuilt, so let’s head back into uncharted territory and see what this baby can do. Could end up on fire again but could also end up producing a kind of team that probably wasn’t possible under Kelly.
However it turns out I’m glad ND chose this direction.
Very thoughtfully written. I’ll add one other aspect — it seems clear that in his gut (and even if we must credit him for the 2017 reboot) BK never “got” the intangible that is the Notre Dame Spirit. That almost spiritual, certainly emotional failure was IMO another reason he couldn’t quite make it over the last hurdle.
Your movie analogy is right on point. Once I spent an hour with the CEO of one of Hollywood’s very biggest studios, who had asked me over from France, and he explained why a big studio was never going to make my script — he said, “It’s too beautiful, we can just make Batman XXVII…”
Excellent assessment, you got me feeling all giddy!
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Still no announcement. Was this leaked super early in this process? Thamel’s sources said it won’t be finalized for 3 days.
It may be till next Monday before an official announcement is made. ND has to do its due diligence on any hire after the George O’Leary fiasco. Process things through the HR department, background checks, credit checks, Facebook history and whatever else they look at. However, with all the twitter documentation of coaches saying they are returning, it is probably well on its way to being a done deal. Just no official announcements from the university until all the i’s are dotted and t’s crossed.
Makes sense. I was also thinking with an internal hire, you can leak it early (especially to reassure recruits). BK can’t exactly hang around ND after the LSU news leaks.
Also, I hope we did most of the background checks before hiring him the first time, haha.
True, but given that it’s an internal hire, most of that should be pretty easy.
Probably also need to finalize buyouts, agree to staff compensation amounts, future improvements, etc. Things like that, before signing on the bottom line.
Fr. Jenkins is also in Rome for a conference with the Pope. Not exactly the kind of thing you can bail on.
they don’t have docusign on his travel laptop?
I’m gonna say jinx on that one, KG.
Ha… I mean think he might want to be here in person for the official announcement.
Happier if he isn’t. I’ll leave it at that.
Also, DocuSign is expensive. 😁
Must be why BK left, dang these infrastructure shortcomings!
You’ll appreciate this KG: one unexpected hurdle in scheduling my dissertation defense was 1) getting my committee to agree on a time and 2) getting wet signatures. The latter took me a month!
Truly we live in an age of miracles and wonders lol.
I may have screamed profanity and ranted about electronic signatures a few dozen times during that month.
I both love and hate the term wet signatures.
I guess the thing I find most interesting in all of this is the the number of coaches staying at ND. The former head coach spent time building culture and then preaching Family and National Championship. For the assistant coaches to stick with the message, the culture and the team vs following their old leader for higher paychecks speaks a great deal about what they want to achieve and what they believe. I think it is possible over CMF tenure, multiple championships could be won. I also think the flip is possible, that the rigors of the HC job at ND eat him alive and he loses connection with players leading to a failure in culture and on-field performance, however I think with Jack in charge, he won’t allow that to happen. He know the weaknesses of Freeman and will help in the guidance of addressing those as he grows in the HC role.
Maybe Elston was ghostwriting Kelly’s “family” speeches.
Folks… I’m not going to share details because it’s VIP info, but there are SIGNIFICANT rumblings about positive recruiting fallout in the 2022 class on the various pay sites. If you have a subscription to any of them, go check them out.
Nothing is imminent as far as actual commitments, but momentum is building.
I asked this below, but we need Freeman, et al. close strong on the 2022 recruiting trail. Is there any chance that a new prospect would be interested or put us from #2 or #3 now with Freeman at the helm? If so, who would that be? [Apparently now the answer is yes.] Any thoughts on others?
Can one reword this for small brains?
“Positive” meaning additions to the class
Or
Fallout being recruits decommitting from our class?
Thanks.
I took it as meaning potentially getting another recruit – sounds like a top one. I would guess Nwankpa.
The former. But I think Brendan is still a bit too optimistic or seeing something different than me if he’s hinting around an unnammed elite Iowan safety (who it sounded like had cut contact with ND and pretty much trimmed them off his list earlier), but we shall see.
Olineman from Wisc. first name William ? Moore back in fold ?….seems Rees is back on the road.
ND and Wisconsin both have in-house visits with him today, and Chryst is going for them and I don’t think Freeman is for us (Rees is, though, among others). Sounds like Schrauth’s still and torn and conflicted as ever, but who knows with that situation.
I’m not quite sure if Brendan meant anything super-specific or just something like “recruits are very happy and receptive and it’s a good thing for all these changes to create positive momentum” type of vibe. It’s def good news, but idk if it’s anything immediate on a new commit watch.
Thank you!
OK, so… That unnamed prospect had indeed cut contact but re-established it himself last night. That’s as far as I’ll go sharing VIP info here. Go check out Tom Loy’s thread at 247 for more details.
More details will come out about this too, but there’s going to be a BIG gathering of ’22 commits and possibly some uncommitted guys next weekend. NCAA rules say a school can pay for an additional OV for any prospect after a coaching change and it looks like ND is taking advantage of that to bring everyone back in.
And just to be clear: Nwankpa could very well end up at Iowa. Schrauth could very well end up at Wisconsin. We might still lose Walker, and we might not re-secure Moore. Nothing is guaranteed.
But there’s definitely serious buzz on the recruiting trail right now about Marcus Freeman. We’ll see if it pays off.
This is indeed big! We have a great ’22 class but adding just 1 or 2 more elite players is needed if we want to stay in that 5 to 7 range of the rankings.
Not that rankings are everything but it’s a nice perception piece and gives a decent overall idea of the quality of the class.
Another trip to campus, that could very well be big.
Indeed. I think leveraging that rule to effectively have a 2nd BBQ on the university’s dime, only with 90% of the attendees already in the class, is brilliant.
Yes, this is awesome.
I hadn’t seen that part, thanks for the info. I did read Loy and I guess the perspective to be happy he’s communicating now is good, but he already dropped ND to 3rd place, I think it’s safe to say. Maybe they make a move, maybe not, but beating the home state school and tOSU, ehh. I’ve never felt great about him and think it’s already a wash, but hey, can’t hurt to keep trying.
You don’t think him reaching out to the ND staff last night is significant?
I personally don’t get past the ND staff (including Freeman) flying to Iowa to watch his HS title game the night before a ND game and then him losing interest in ND soon after. I’d say that’s a more telling indicator of where he is in his collegiate priorities.
What’s changed? There’s no Kelly. In this situation, for a safety that shouldn’t really be a big difference or motivator for his future, IMO. Not like Kelly was huge factor for him one way or another.
I wouldn’t disagree that ND might still be 3rd. However, if he is re-establishing contact maybe something is going on with him and Iowa or OSU…Or maybe he just is having second thoughts and want to see what Freeman may change up once he is HC…
The big thing is that if he comes to this 2nd OV then maybe there can be some peer influence and maybe there is a chance. If he never reaches out then it’s basically over but at this point there is still a small chance and we have to hope the ND staff takes advantage.
He had OSU coaches in his house last night, including Ryan Day, and apparently right after that meeting ended he called ND. So… maybe.
There are in fact indications that he wasn’t a big fan of Kelly. He told the staff to back off, and now with Kelly gone and Freeman elevated he’s telling the staff to talk to him again.
It might not be something, but it’s definitely not nothing.
I think that’s why recruiting is going to pick up universally. It’s that the recruits all love Freeman. Now Freeman is the head coach (and not someone else). I think the guy who is the head coach as the one a recruit loves will make a difference and could be the difference in this case.
The second BBQ is just another confirmation of this all being part of Swarbrick’s plan.
@as long as they don’t just serve hot dogs and hamburgers and call that barbecue, no faster way to lose SEC talent@
As long as they don’t make the kids pay for the hotdogs (for anyone who watched Zorich’s podcast)
Would be amazing if they served gumbo, etoufee, and beignets at the BBQ.
Crawfish boil!
Circling back to this… That buzz is now louder (for the one key guy in particular) and broader (in terms of getting/hanging onto more guys). Could be big things afoot.
Has any coach bailed on ND yet?
Polian to Lafayette for a HC gig, but I wouldn’t call that “bailed”
I believe the updated tracker is:
Currently in the midst of completing the Nine Sacred Protocols to be installed as ND coach: Freeman
Confirmed staying: Rees, Balis, Elston, Taylor, Mickens, O’Leary, McNulty
Officially Unknown status: Alexander, Polian, Quinn
II saying Quinn to stay on to finish this season, but won’t be back next year…Also like KG said, it’s believed Polian will take a FCS HC job.
Also anticipated that Lazensky (no idea how to spell that) will move up to take LB coach).
Wonder who will be the nominal DC–maybe that’s the carrot for Elston to stay.
Yep, gotta be either Elston or some sort of split with Elston/Mickens as co-DC in title.
Kyle Hamilton player/DC for 2022.
Hmm, yes, already has experience as a game day “coach” these last few games. Must be a strong consideration to follow in the shoes of player/coach Reggie Dunlop.
I have just verified, through Pope Frankie I, through Jenkins, through Savvy Jack (so basically first hand) that BK was in fact forced out by Jenkins in order to hire MMFF. Il Papa himself believes that Swarbrick was even the mastermind behind the LSU offer. Using insider knowledge of one, or many, of their ongoing scandals, JS “enticed” LSU to offer BK such a large paycheck that it would remove any suspicion from ND.
This is in line with BK’s PC earlier this year where he referred to MMFF as the next head coach and Swarbrick’s comments about a Freudian slip. Swarbrick as much as confirmed this, when, with a sly smile, he said that he knew BK was looking around, said that BK didn’t have any demands on him, and that he was glad BK never asked for a counter offer (knowing he wouldn’t get one).
iT’s tEn dImEnSiOnAl CheSS!!
Not that I want to go check for myself, but how is the NDN harrumph fullbacks crowd reacting? I’m sure happy BK is gone but I’m not sure how they’d feel about Freeman.
Young, “urban”, unlikely to re-install the rightful natural grass, likely to only increase the size/volume of the video screen…Yeah, I’m not checking in either but I bet they’re not going to be over the moon once they get over their victory that their hated Kelly is gone.
But I thought they wanted “Urban”
Oh…wait, that’s different.
Urban with no quotes needed, ha
Freeman is a small timey coach hired by a small timey coach. So he is small small timey timey. And he’s young! Probably doesn’t remember WW1! And definitely never had to walk to football practice up hill in the snow in bare feet.
They seem generally sanguine, actually. Some are very excited, some are concerned about his inexperience as a HC, though no more vocally than some here. Some feel that we could have taken a bigger swing and gone for a splashy name or a known entity with higher chance of success. But many are expressing satisfaction with the choice, and all are behind him and hoping he can succeed.
…It’s weird!
Who do they think a splashy name/known entity with a higher chance of success would be? I am genuinely curious.
BOB STOOPS
URBAN MEYER
MIKE TOMLIN
NICK SABAN
VINCE LOMBARDI
BILL BELICHICK
FRANKY LEAHY
HAYDEN FOX
COACH TAYLOR, THAT FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS GUY
They seemed to have missed the obvious:
Jenkins meeting with the Pope right now.
“COACH TAYLOR, THAT FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS GUY”
lol
You laugh, but this was from *before* Kelly bailed. It’s art.
https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1462875762239971336
Dave Doeren! 3-9 Shaw and 3-9 Fitz! I mean wtf, lol.
Glorious.
AMAZING
Didn’t see him listed there but I’ve seen others say we should have gone for Clawson, which seems like a terrible idea. Not that he’s a bad coach, just that’s a guy we hire after a terrible stretch to rebuild, not to keep things going or improve where we are now
Clawson was high on my list of “the field” after Freeman and Fickell. He’s built something literally never accomplished before at Wake.
My concern with him is the same i had with Campbell: can (will) he recruit? We’ve just had 12 mostly good years of “good coaching that prevents losing to the bad teams anymore” from a coach who had brought lesser programs up above their weight class. I really think this is the time to go big and get someone who can get the players to compete against the top 4-5 programs, and it’s worth the risk. Clawson is a GREAT coach–no doubt. Campbell too. I don’t know that they’re willing to go buy new shoes for the entire recruiting staff just because one recruit happens to like Vans and it makes them feel loved. That’s Freeman, and that’s what we need.
I’m totally on board with our superstar recruiter, I don’t even disagree with Steen, just pointing out Clawson should be considered pretty impressive after this season.
This is something that hasn’t been addressed enough – this program is not in need of a rebuild, like it was the last 3 times (at least) that we went after a new coach. It’s in need of somebody to take a successful, stable program to the next level, without completely cashing in all of the culture that has been built under Kelly.
Freeman checks all the boxes there, whereas lots of other candidates would have started over with a new (or mostly new)staff and new culture, language, philosophy, etc.
We are built up to a level that we need an evolutionary, not a revolutionary, new coach
Now that the dust appears to be settling, I wonder whether BK to USC was a possibility. There were rumors that now makes me think.
I was thinking that too last night. There just had to be contact between USC and BK’s agent, at least for each side to know where the other one was trending. How much the coach was involved could be anywhere on the spectrum.
It would be really curious in an alt-world to see what happened if OU won on Saturday. Does Riley still leave for USC with OU having a chance for playoffs? If no, does that mean BK is the guy USC moves onto immediately or do they stay in the Riley chase? Fascinating to think about, but there’s gotta be a non-zero chance that if something was different with Riley turning down USC or dragging feet on them that BK could be at USC.
I had the same thoughts about alternate timelines. I’d hope BK would pause about his legacy before jumping to our rival but who knows?
I do figure he spoke with UF and USC.
So this is all because the refs picked up that Late Hit flag?!?!
I bet it was, but he probably didn’t want a rebuild. LSU is in a much better state than USC right now.
If I were a young coach, USC would be my absolute top choice. Modest expectations in year 1-2. Easy to win PAC12. Very fertile recruiting. ND each year for a resume builder.
One of the many rumors floating around is that, with the USC job open and the Wisconsin game just completed, Kelly went to Swarbrick to leverage interest from them into a raise and Jack told him where to shove it. Another slight variation on this, not necessarily incompatible, is that Jack was unable or unwilling to find the funding for said raise.
That is definitely rumor, with no serious source confirming any of it at this point. HOWEVER, it does make some other things fall into place. If this really went down, then it could explain why Jack said in that Tuesday morning presser that he wasn’t as blindsided as some because Kelly had let stuff slip that he might’ve had “a certain restlessness.” (lol) It could also explain why Jack would be fully prepared to move quickly on Freeman, even with Jenkins out of the country. It’s entirely possible that this went down in September, and Jack and Fr. John started building a contingency plan to move to Freeman right then.
It could also explain Swarbrick’s “appreciation ” when BK didn’t try to use the LSU offer to leverage a raise.
Whatever the exact fact pattern is, it is entirely clear at this point that ND was not going to give Brian Kelly a 10-year contract, and Brian Kelly knew ND was not going to give Brian Kelly a 10-year contract.
That said, it’s still possible that is a secondary reason he left behind the obviously true “it’s easier to win a natty at LSU than ND,” and most successful head coaches are single-minded sociopaths.
I’m sure a lot went in it.
I was thinking today: you probably argue that BK was underpaid and that CFB coaches make an obscene amount. Both factors probably contributed to BK not getting an extension and him therefore leaving.
I’ve always felt pretty ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ about TFR (as a player and every step of his coaching career). But this whole thing made me realize that I was really glad when he stayed.
I always liked Rees and hate the meh attitude people take about him. He wasn’t a superstar but man he gave it every thing that noodle arm could handle. And I respected that.
I’m glad to see he’s becoming a successful coach.
That’s exactly why I was meh about him as a player. He wasn’t a great player, but he pretty clearly played maxed out his abilities. So was I excited about our G5 level QB? No. But did I dislike him? Also, no. Just sort of meh.
As a coach. He has never been bad by any means. But he has never done anything to really wow me relative to his position. He has advanced very quickly, and I’ve never felt like it was unwarranted, but also never felt like it was a no brainer. He’s young, has a high ceiling, but the offense has flopped a bit too often. His sample size is quite small to make any concrete judgements. So basically, meh.
That said, my whole point was that while logically, he is fine all things considered, I have clearly built some type of deeper appreciation for him.
Brian Fremeau calculated ND’s chances of making the playoffs on this fancy chart using FEI data:
Cumulative chance to make it is 55.9% according to Fremeau.
I calculated using FPI and got 45.1%
Also calculated using my own less sophisticated stats and got 43.4%.
That seems awfully high.
I’m still concerned that 2-loss Bama and 2-loss Baylor could get in over us given the weakness of our schedule.
Well all of this does assume one-loss ND over two-loss teams, so take it for what it’s worth.
Yeah, sadly I think so. ND has 0 wins over CFP Top 25 teams now that Wisconsin has dropped out. Bama has 2, and the committee just loves them as it is, they won’t be punished too much for losing to the best team. Unless Alabama totally gets run off the field, I think the committee is going to put them ahead of Notre Dame, no matter what.
I really think there will need to be a lot of chaos for ND to get in. Like Michigan, Cincy, OK State all losing type of chaos, or at least 2/3 of it. But I don’t think Alabama going down is in the path to benefit ND at all.
Given that it’s binary that Alabama loses or wins this week, it’s absolutely beneficial that they lose versus if they were to win.
Nah, not really. Either way I project Alabama will be ranked ahead of Notre Dame, win or lose this weekend. I don’t think they’re the key at all to ND’s chances, in any regards. To the committee a 2-loss Bama will the way they’re thought of and 2 top 25 wins > a 1 loss ND with 0 top 25 wins.
If ND makes the playoff, IMO it won’t be at Bama’s expense, it will be with Bama. Which makes for a narrow path, but it could still happen.
In other years maybe, but this is quite obviously not the same as recent Alabama teams. A good win over Ole Miss, and single score wins over bad LSU, Florida, and Auburn teams (and Auburn was missing their QB!) plus a single score win over a so-so Arkansas.
A two-loss team has never made the playoff, let alone a two-loss non-conf champ. In fact 11-1 non-Big Ten-champ OSU made it in over 11-2 Big Ten champ PSU, who had beaten them head to head, in 2016. And 11-1 non-champ Alabama made it in over 11-2 champ OSU and 11-2 champ USC in 2017.
I wouldn’t be floored, but I would be pretty surprised if each two-loss non-champ didn’t end up behind us.
Also, as others have said, it would be very helpful if Georgia wins big. So… Go Dawgs.
I think the committee will look at the Ga/Ala game as a play in game for Bama. “Bama you know what you have to do to get in. Short of a last second loss or OT, lose and your out.” JMO
That’s funny, I see it the completely other way. This game is a bonus, short of getting blown out, I think they’re going to go opposite and say “this was an extra data point, Alabama did something no one else in the country has done and that’s play close with Georgia, the clear #1. Therefore, we think Bama has shown they measure up to be one of the four best teams.”
I don’t agree with that perspective, but that’s what I’ve come to expect from the committee and dealing with the teams they always seem to like to get in there.
(Unless it’s like 49-3 or something. Then they’re out)
Could be. I think 2 losses will matter to the committee. Perhaps it won’t be ND that benefits. (OSU) I think Ala. has to keep it within one score. If not, I don’t think Ga. should have to beat them twice. Again, I think it should be clear to Ala. what they need to do.
The problem is that it all depends on what side of the bed the committee gets up on that Sunday morning.
Ha……North or South ?
I hope you’re right, but fear the worst. We shall see. Alabama with 1 loss was ranked above several undefeated teams earlier in CFP (and in spot #2) for a while, no? What’s the difference if they end up in #3 and avoid a semifinal rematch that way?
I don’t think they would lose any sleep over:
1 UGA 4 undefeated Cincy
2 Mich 3 two-loss Bama
And this scenario gets helped out a lot if OK St loses, there’s no real reason for them not to end up here, because it looks like they want to anyways.
If so then we need two of three things to happen.
Mich. lose, Cincy lose, OSU lose. That would do it no?
The significance of any Alabama loss in the SEC CG pretty much washed away with the OSU loss last week.
I think it would help for Bama to lose big for them to drop behind us. Does it need to be like 4 TDs?
I think the most important thing for us to get then is actually for Cinci to lose.
Looking at it more closely, I’m not even sure a 2 loss Michigan drops behind us. Though I think this is the most unlikely loss anyway.
I don’t know that the other two games matter. Though I’m not sure what would happen if the Big 10 champ was Iowa.
Now we’re getting jumped by 3 loss Utah?! Yikes!
My prediction is, in the Sunday CFP ranking ND is ranked ahead of all two-or-more-loss teams or in the playoff (I can see them flip/flopping 3 and 4 to avoid rematches putting us 4th behind a two-loss team).
And if that’s wrong then I’ll change my mind about whether losses matter when it comes to playoffs.
I have to assume @Irishchamp23 meant BIG12 winner at #3
yup sorry big 12 not pac 12.
Baylor’s starting QB, Gerry Bohannon, is questionable for the game with a balky hammy. He sat out last week’s game against Texas Tech trying to get it better, in fact. That doesn’t factor into the models so you can probably drop the percentages a bit.
But there’s a puncher’s chance here.
I’d been putting it at about 1 in 3 chance using my gut before putting it in excel, so this is just a point in favor of my stomach.
I highly doubt the committee is following the extreme excitement from the ND fan base. But I wonder if we could actually end up with a bump from the Freeman announcement. Highly doubtful, but I’m putting it out there in the universe.
I love this idea. I thought/hoped the same thing. Imagine if Kelly’s leaving ended up being the final factor that got us in the playoffs…..and then imagine we won it?? I would pay to be wherever BK was in that moment to watch him projectile vomit on whoever was standing next to him
The excitement? Nah.
But the fact that the staff is staying intact minus Kelly and we’ll have a head coach will resonate with the ex-coaches in the room. I don’t think it makes a plus, but I think it counters a minus.
They said being in transition could be considered in the rankings. Well, we’re not in transition anymore, and we have an All-American safety ready to come back. Sooo…
Of course, committee gonna committee, so who knows.
Also, isn’t about time for a new “article”/thread?
The 5 Wide Fullbacks thread is stuck at 199 comments. Can’t have a new thread until it hits 200 too.
Drick beat me to it!
New thread!!!!!!
Everyone else is reading it like Freeman told Jack he wanted Rees to stay, right? Seen several comments (article comments, not anyone important) angry that Jack “forced” Rees onto Freeman as a “condition” for taking the job, and interpreting the idea of Rees having “more autonomy” not as “compared to being under Kelly” but as “won’t report to Freeman.”
That’s bonkers, and I think it’s just people trying to twist everything negatively and getting caught up in the order things came out (Rees and then Freeman).
I’m not nuts, right?
Yeah, I assumed Rees staying was an indication that Freeman was in place as future head coach and Freeman wanted him along. If you can’t trust somebody enough to make their own final decisions about coordinators you’re not hiring them as head coach. I trust Jack enough on that.
I can’t imagine the first thing you’d want to do as an AD hiring a new coach is piss that new coach off by saddling him with unwanted staff.
Jack seems smarter than that. But I’m also about as knowledgeable as the people writing that stuff.
Freeman, technically, hasn’t even been announced as head coach yet, however I can’t imagine all the efforts to keep the staff that they have together without the new HC’s blessing. Including Balis, FWIW.
MOTS self reply: The only coach left that hasn’t actually announced he is staying that we care about is Freeman. If he isn’t announced as HC, this whole thing became a giant cluster.
ND/Jack wouldn’t let it get legs in the media if it wasn’t going to happen. However, if they delayed they’d lose the momentum and much of the recruiting class. They split the baby by reaching an agreement and letting “sources” confirm that. They’ll announce it when they can, we all know they’re slow like that. Unlike the other coaches, Freeman can’t just come out and say it himself, he’s gotta get the press conference treatment, which means they need to cross the t’s and dot the i’s. Everyone else, who cares, put it on twitter. But this way they get the buzz, they can tell recruits what’s going on, and the media is blowing up with how quickly and decisively ND moved and how they must “love” Freeman to “not even look at” Fickell or Campbell or whomever (whether they did on not, who knows). It also sends a message to the playoff committee that at the very least they shouldn’t penalize us for “instability” as we’re fine, thanks.
Last, it makes Oklahoma look like a complete mess by comparison.
Oklahoma had to call their dad to come take care of stuff while they figured things out.
Haven’t 7 or so recruits decommitted from OK? Most of them on the path to USC?
Here’s to hoping the NCAA looks into it
One assistant in particular was reported by OU compliance office for being on a recruiting trip for OU and recruiting for USC. Not sure the details but it seemed like he was mid-trip when stuff happened, got called by Riley, and switched shirts in the middle.
That must have been an interesting recruiting conversation. Come to OU it’s the best! Hang on, I gotta take this call. Ok, so OU’s great and all, but have you checked out USC?
In all seriousness, it seems pretty clear that in OUs case, they were committing to Riley, not OU. Good or bad, contrast that with, what, one of ND’s recruits decommitting? No one committed to ND for Kelly.
And that decommit may well yet come back. Freeman is certainly pushing for him.
Yarp.
That’s one reason why it’s so key that we held onto our staff.
The only way it makes any sense that way is if they went to Freeman and said “we’ll hire you, but we’re concerned about continuity of the coaches” and one side or the other said “well, let’s keep all the assistants.” Even if the first suggestion came from Jack, I can’t imagine Freeman would not take the job if he didn’t want to keep all the assistants named so far. It’s not like the dude didn’t have other options. He had a strong negotiating position.
Couldn’t it have gone like this, “Marcus what do you think of Tommy?”. MF, “I want him to stay and be on my staff as OC.” JS, “Perfect, let’s get it done.”
Maybe it could have been what Jack needed him to say and perhaps he did say it…..”perfect”
Right, that’s what I think/hope it was. The comment you replied to is merely my hypothetical situation in which Jack pushed it, but I’m not convinced that’s the case.
This point is what confused me last night. Pete Sampson said, “Notre Dame retaining Tommy Rees as offensive coordinator would be critical to promoting Marcus Freeman.”
Does that mean ND wanted Rees retained before hiring Freeman? Does it mean Freeman insisted on Rees to accept? I assumed the former.
I’m pretty sure it was the latter. Freeman wanted TR to be his OC, and paying TR enough to stay was one of freeman’s Conditions for taking the job. That’s how I read it anyway and what seems to make the most sense.
CMF does appear to hold all the cards
From the way he explained it, it was the first situation. If Notre Dame couldn’t keep Rees, they weren’t going to hire Freeman with no offensive leader and Freeman being more a defensive guy. If they were going to go the continuity route and try to build off what the Kelly team did, they wanted the whole Kelly team. They only wanted Freeman as HC if it was a package deal where they could keep Rees. If Rees elected to leave for LSU, ND would have blown it up, gone for Fickell or another external HC and started over knowing there would be roster/recruits leaving.
That is increasingly what it sounds like reading between the lines of reporting. And actually that makes a lot of sense!
I know everyone is super excited about Freeman, and I’m happy too, but he has been promoted beyond his current level for the purposes of *right now*. If he weren’t ND’s coach today, his best-case scenario is being the head coach at Cincy going into next year. Those aren’t really two particularly comparable positions!
But, given the incredible continuity we’re putting in place, we don’t need him to learn how to be a head coach *and* build up a program; it’s just the former. This both gives ND a very good chance to succeed with a first-time head coach, which has historically gone poorly for the program.
So, if that was the plan, it’s a good plan. If all the coaches were defecting, I think going with Fickell would have made a lot more sense. Given how this played out, I’m super excited for the Freeman Era.
off topic, but Mendenhall stepping down. Wonder what that’s all about
Don’t know but they got an O-line coach or WR coach to poach?
Looks like there coaching staff was pretty BYU centric as far as where they came from.
5-5 then 6-6 the last two years, maybe doesn’t care for the focus the program has or doesn’t have at the school? Wild speculation there and I’m presuming it’s not a preemptive scandal avoidance
I wondered about the latter. He said that the AD and the School Pres wanted him to stay on, but that he need to refocus on life with his wife. Hmmm….
As a friend said, “Thanks, Urban, for making my response to this reasonable thing Mendenhall said be an immediate ‘okay, what’s buried out back'”
“I want to spend more time with my family”
Ok, enough BS, what did you do?
Nobody offered him 95 million over 10 years?
Big if true…
(but doubtful it matters to the committee)
But he’s demanding to play Guard?!?!
I’d venture to say he’s a Right Kind of Guy®
Nah they ain’t salty lol.
Eric said it very well even before the decision, and Brendan said it very well above, after the decision:
“I don’t feel like this is settling. Freeman’s ceiling could be very, very high and he has shown a number of elite traits as a coordinator that could translate to big things at Notre Dame. He’s young, good looking, motivated, articulate, and as a black and Korean man has the ability to transform the culture and cool factor in South Bend that is incredibly enticing for a place that still struggles with being a place for white, stuffy rich people. In this vein, Freeman being hired feels very inspired and worthwhile.
If Freeman really is a strong recruiter and things don’t work out as head coach the risk seems worth it to see if he’s that kind of star. If not, the roster should still be in a very good place and Notre Dame will look for a new head coach down the road.”
That said, though as excited as most of you, I confess I have an… unsettled… feeling because I am drinking the same damn (“never been a college head coach but so what”) Kool-aid as I have consistently drunk virtually my entire life of NDness:
Hunk Anderson (OK, before my time, but Granddad said when the Rock died everyone thought he would be great)
Terry Brennan (ND man, super player everyone loved, great high school coach)
Joe Kuharich (ND man, solid, tough, NFL professional coach)
Gerry Faust (ND lover, fanatic enthusiasm, great high school coach)
Bob Davie and
Charlie Weis (sagas which you all know).
I have never wanted success for any new ND head coach more than this one. At least as Lou Holtz just said, MF does seem to “get” ND.
Like for every one of his predecessors, successful or not, as Ara said, the third year will tell.
Gonna start with the bowl game — and yes, it will be interesting as to who calls the defensive alignments!
I assume he will call the defense in the bowl game. Going forward, I imagine either Elston of Mickens will. Whoever is the DC.
It will be interesting to see if Rees does anything different with Kelly’s thumb not being on him or whether Freeman has some ideas to incorporate.
All that said, I doubt we will be able to tell much from one (maybe two) games. At this point, we are who we are both offensively and defensively.
I hear you, and I get it. Charlie Weis doesn’t bear much more relevance to Freeman than Hunk Anderson does though.
Counterpoints: Lincoln Riley, Ryan Day, Dabo Swinney. They all went straight from OC to HC on a top-level program, two of them traditional blue bloods, and won at an elite level. These are different times. And, as Mike Frank said yesterday, as corny as it sounds some guys really do have “it.” Mike said he knew when he met Meyer as an ND assistant that he would be a great head coach eventually, and he sees that same kind of aura around Freeman.
I reserve the right to pull all this back and get mad the first time something dumb happens in a game, lol. But for now, I’m all in.
Lets be honest, nearly every HC was a coordinator before they became an HC. There is probably slightly more (but different) risk to Freeman (and Riley, Day, Swinney and Smart) than there was to a Fickell or Campbell or any other existing HC. However, there is still risk and a different risk.
As an analogy, Freeman is the incoming FR 5* QB recruit. We are all excited, but know the risk. Fickell or Campbell would be Jack Coan.
I think Fickell’s floor is probably higher than Freeman’s but Freeman’s ceiling is higher, and with the program where it is I’m more than willing to take a gamble on a high ceiling guy.
Btw, you know who wasn’t a coordinator before getting a head job? Ty Willingham, who went from Vikings DBs to Stanford HC. Hmm.
It’s official. Press conference Monday at 2pm.
Yep just got the announcement too.
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Sweet! AD, too!
How could this week get any better!?!