Two weeks have passed since our last depth chart update and now we’re mere days away from the beginning of the 2017 Notre Dame football season. Before kickoff here’s the final roster updates and predicted pecking order for the Irish.
Let’s start at safety where it’s been a strangely quiet August for a position with so many question marks. That’s because despite an injury early in camp Nick Coleman has locked down the starting position next to Jalen Elliott for the bulk of August. It’s not clear how many snaps both will take against Temple, but probably the bulk of them. Studstill really hasn’t seemed to take the next step and it’s unlikely the true freshman Robertson is going to get thrown in there before garbage time.
As you could probably guess the NCAA still hasn’t made a ruling on Alohi Gilman’s eligibility. Whether it’s from a lack of reps (why waste them if he’s sitting out?) or otherwise we may have gotten a little ahead of ourselves in thinking Gilman could come right in and be the best safety on the team.
PREDICTION: With over a decade’s worth of pre-season predictions in my memory it seems like Notre Dame’s corners are generally hyped and then fall short of expectations. I can’t shake the fear that the Irish are set to give serious minutes to really tall corners–Watkins at 6’1″ and Vaughn at nearly 6’3″–and they will struggle quite a bit in a game that is seriously unforgiving to secondary players through the air. At least one of these guys are going to have big struggles in 2017.
Speaking of hype let’s hope the linebackers live up to their potential. This could be the best the Irish have been here since 2012. There’s talent, depth, stability, and leadership. Morgan & Company have to run the show in 2017.
We haven’t had to shuffle the defensive line depth chart from two weeks ago although since the New & Gold scrimmage there’s been some hope that the younger guys have made strides and could see the field a lot more than previously believed.
PREDICTION: Don’t expect a real deep defensive line rotation, it’d be silly to think it’ll happen. There were will be a Top 6 (D. Hayes, Tillery, Bonner, J. Hayes, Trumbetti, plus an additional backup) in the rotation and no one else will see more than 150 snaps total on the season.
For approximately the 47th straight time Brian Kelly was overly optimistic with an injury as Elijah Taylor is not available for Temple and hasn’t been truly active during August practices. He suffered his lisfranc injury on March 10th so Taylor is looking at a layoff of at least 6 months before he gets healthy. We’ve seen this before, it’ll be tough for him to get in game shape coming off a foot injury.
Following Brian Kelly’s presser from last Thursday things got a little bit more interesting on the offensive line after redshirt freshman right tackle Tommy Kramer had a “meh” August and the head coach declared true freshman Robert Hainsey WILL play in 2017. I seriously doubt Hainsey actually plays legit starting minutes but it’s a somewhat curious decision that is probably made to set up the 2018 line more than anything else.
Real quick a look at next year’s line and most expect the Top 5 guys to be Mustipher, Bars, Kraemer, Eichenberg, and Hainsey. The most common thought is that Kraemer will move to left guard but that might be a little too crazy. First of all, Hainsey is a bit short at 6’4″ 1/2 to be a tackle and with improved strength he could be a good guard at the college level. Additionally, most are expecting Eichenberg to jump right in at left tackle to fill McGlinchey’s shoes and that might be a tall order. Both Hainsey and Eichenberg have arguably had much worse August practices than Kraemer and they’re going to be the starting tackles next year? Well, someone has to play there, I suppose. Okay, now back to 2017.
The long and winding road for Kevin Stepherson’s fight for playing time does not appear to be coming to an end any time soon. Kelly said he’s not suspended, but maybe kind of suspended, but not really, but maybe. Early Saturday morning WNDU reported via a source inside the program that Stepherson is suspended for the first 4 games of the season due to violation of team rules.
A traditional depth chart by position doesn’t really work for wideouts anymore with guys lining up all over the field on a consistent basis. What we do know is that sans-Stepherson there’s a Top 7 of (no specific order) St. Brown, Smith, Boykin, Finke, Sanders, Claypool, and Young. Yes, true freshman Michael Young will be in the mix.
PREDICTION: Arizona State transfer Cam Smith has been a quasi-starter for most of August. He will finish no higher than 6th on the team in receptions this fall. I’m skeptical that he’ll have a super large role with so many options at receiver–and Stepherson likely coming back for hopefully 9 games.
For a week or so there was some concern about the future of Alize Mack due to a nagging hamstring injury and his checkered injury history in high school. However, Kelly would lead you to believe everything is pretty awesome with Mack, besides the fact that he apparently doesn’t have great stamina.
PREDICTION: I fell in love with Alize’s snap-to-catch ratio as a freshman and I bet he will finish 2018 with the 6th most receptions in a season by a Notre Dame tight end. That would put him somewhere in the 41 to 46-catch region.
It’s been a long off-season and I’ve tried to remain calm about the official debut of Brandon Wimbush as Notre Dame’s starting quarterback. Every once and a while you’ll read something about him blowing up on the national scene but in a lot of ways he doesn’t have a ton of hype surrounding him given how heralded of a recruit he was and how impressive he’s been as a leader with command of the offense.
PREDICTION: Wimbush breaks the Notre Dame single-season record for total offense in 2017. I believe the record is held by Brady Quinn (4,009 yards) from 2005. Something in the ballpark of 3,700 passing + 450 rushing yards is entirely workable for Wimbush as the offense moves quicker and is likely backed by a not-great defense.
I feel more clueless about this season than I have for any in recent memory. Not saying that my non-clueless years were particularly accurate – I was never close to predicting four wins last year. They just felt more certain than the way I feel this year. It seems like absolutely anything can happen. Not sure if that is because of the fall camp news blackout or my own short attention span.
Welp, here we go then, I guess.
Eric, I know safety is a huge question mark, but are the line and secondary that bad to be a not-great defense even with the most decent linebackers since 2012 (your words)? No BVG has to be better right?
Our defensive line was very, very bad last year, and we lost the two best players on the line. Jay Hayes and Jerry Tillery would have to take pretty big leaps to make up for what Rochelle and Jarron Jones could do, and that just gets us to very, very bad (plus whatever added benefit Daelin Hayes can provide off the edge).
Back to Negative Nancy with me! 😉
I couldn’t agree more. Elko is going to have to be brilliant to do anything with that defensive line unless Daelin Hayes is the 2nd coming of Justin Tuck.
This is where I am too. Not a real high ceiling for these guys except maybe Daelin.
At best, probably just a decent group.
Let’s not forget though that will Jarron Jones had some all-american type plays there were also many plays where he was very average or worse. I don’t want to argue that we have more talent, but I’m not certain that we are that far behind – In Elko We Trust.
I’m hoping that with the defense is that Elko being a better coach/coordinator will help the Irish d. so even though they may be weaker in some areas, they play well as a unit and that’s what makes up for the deficiencies. I mean they improved a tad in season once BVG was let go so that has to count for something. oh yeah, if they improve in tackling that will go a long way too. I’m still drinking the Elko kool aid though.
I don’t know. I think the DL has a chance to be okay. The scheme and fundamentals should be better, so there might be some improvement just from those. Plus they’re still pretty young outside of Jay Hayes, Bonner, and Trumbetti. Someone like Tillery or Daelin Hayes could surprise and make a big improvement. I think someone on one of the other site podcasts noted that a guy like Tillery hasn’t looked especially worse than Nix or Jarron Jones did at the same age. Who knows what’ll happen with him or the sophomore ends.
With that said, the depth along the interior is pretty concerning to me.
Where is the pressure going to come from in that front 7? I know Elko is some kind of pressure generating genius, but BVG/Tenuta were supposed to have some crazy awesome blitz ideas too. I see D. Hayes, Morgan, and maybe Tillery as the guys who can get to the QB, but Tillery is still an interior D Lineman and Morgan can’t blitz every play.
PREDICTION: By game 4, Martini will no longer be receiving the most snaps at the BUCK position. He may still be listed as the starter, but Elko will be using Coney more, as his quickness will give the defense another guy with the ability to get to the QB.
It’s interesting that the II podcast recently stated, perhaps after a player or coach interview that I missed, that Martini was the fast player and Coney the thumper. Especially with pass responsibilities. Maybe blitzing is different?
Hmmm, that’s really interesting. I guess with Coney, I’m mostly wishing on him being quick. If he’s slower than Martini, that’s bad news, unless Martini’s quickness has really improved this offseason.
I believe I have heard or read some commentators say that Martini just has a good knack for blitzing. Timing might be part of it. He did have three sacks last season.
I think Martini, Morgan, and Tranquill will have a fair number of sacks collectively by the end of the season. I also could see Daelin and maybe someone unexpected (Okwara or Ogundeji or maybe even Bonner) with a few (maybe 4-6 for Daelin and 3-4 for someone else along the line).
I have a guess where a notion to the contrary would come from….
To do something a bit out of character, I’ll provide some positive quasi-hot takes for this season:
1) Josh Adams will have the best season for a running back at ND since I started college (in 2005).
2) Wimbush will take fewer sacks than Kizer did last year.
3) This will finally be the year that the coaches talk about tempo in the offseason and *don’t* finish in the bottom quarter of pace-of-play.
4) Tranquill will get All-American pub. It probably will not be fully deserved and there will be lots of reference to his grittiness and coachability etc., but that it’ll even be in the discussion will be a good indication.
5) Crawford will play a lot and be quite good.
Here are a couple of takes:
1. The linebackers this season will be the best LB corps under BK and maybe going back even further a fair number of years (as a whole, I think they could be even better than the 2012 group; I was always kind of meh on Foxabrese)
2. I think one of the senior DL (academically speaking) will have a pretty decent season, and then we’ll read a lot of stories about how they turned it around and got serious about their craft and how the light finally came on, etc. etc.
Spread is at 17.5 now. It opened at 6 way back when. Serious kool aid guzzling. Is Brendan working as an oddsmaker?
It opened at -6? That was an unbelievable bargain, wish I had seen it back then. It was around -15 for a really long time, so it really hasn’t moved up that much recently. It’ll probably move back down a couple of points by kickoff. That -6 was way off though, not at all surprised it jumped up from there.
I always try to be the optimist. First the pessimism. Sad to see Boykin and McKinley falling down the depth chart. Sanders too. Too bad we took Canteen for two more years if he is not in danger of being in the mix based on the depth chart.
There is literally no depth behind Bonner and Tillery. The freshman had better be ready.
Now for the optimism. I think the corners are pretty good. We can’t afford an injury, but I like the ability. I don’t know why, but for some reason I think the safeties will work out.
Kraemer has had a bad August, but perhaps a lot on his plate. The upside of multiple TE sets is that he can get some help until he gets his feet under him.
I think the offense will score a lot of points, once Wimbush gets rolling. Too much skill position talent, and the OL should be strong enough.
We can’t be worse on defense than we were last year, and if you separate the post-BVG period out, we were not all that bad post-BVG.
Beat Temple. We need a good showing, preferably a win, but a good showing against Georgia. If the team’s psyche is as fragile as the fan base’s, a blow out against Georgia and the wheels could come off.
Depth chart on TOS, has Canteen listed as a co-starter at the Z with Chris Finke.
As noted, Canteen is listed as a co-starter right now. That’s not just on TOS. You can see it with your own eyes on the official ND site.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nd/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2017-18/release/release_20170829aaa.pdf