As COVID-19 cases continue to climb again, athletes are tested, and schools declare intentions for students to return to campus (or not), plans for the college football season change by the day. But for a second, let’s live in a world where football will be played this fall and indulge in some analysis.
The most likely scenario for fall football appears to be predominantly conference-only schedules. The Big Ten and Pac-12 have already announced their plans officially, with most other conferences seemingly destined to follow on in a matter of time. A few exceptions may be made to allow inter-conference rivalry games, such as a “plus one” agreement between the ACC and SEC – but everyone is just making everything up as they go at this point. The simpler the solution at this point, I’m guessing the better chance of survivability, and conference-only is about as simple as it gets (for non-independents).
Sources: The ACC is discussing scheduling models, with 10 league games and a “plus one” outside the conference as the favorite. The ACC start date is still being debated between September 12, 19 and 26.
— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) July 24, 2020
For as much as ND haters frothed at the mouth, hoping that this pandemic would be the perfect chance to force the Irish out of independent status, it appears that is not happening. The ACC has extended its loving arms and assured Jack Swarbrick and company that they will happily provide as many games as needed to fill out the Notre Dame schedule, proving yet again that joining a conference is for suckers.
So let’s run through what a hypothetical all-ACC schedule might look like, with some baseline assumptions:
- While I’m sure Western Michigan would still love to play Notre Dame if games are being played, 12 games seem unlikely and the Broncos will be the first team to go.
- If there’s a “plus-one” arrangement, it seems like a slam dunk the Irish prioritize the Navy rivalry over Arkansas. The Razorbacks will happily kick this game down the road to future years when their fans can make the trip to South Bend and they might be more competitive.
- No one knows how many fans will be in attendance (if any) of these games are played. So for each game, I’ve removed home-field advantage boosts for simplicity (usually 2.5 points in projection for the home team). Most analysis indicates the top driver of home-field advantage is not crowd noise influencing players but its influence on officials, who likely won’t react the same in an empty stadium. While there are still some remaining advantages – primarily not traveling – early Bundesliga data supports the idea home-field advantage may decline if not disappear without fans.
What were we working with before? See below for the SP+ projections of Notre Dame’s pre-pandemic schedule, adjusted temporarily to take out home-field advantage:
Which new teams might Notre Dame play in an ACC-only schedule?
There are a few options in how an ACC-only schedule could pan out – are traditional divisions maintained in some form? If so, how do the Irish fit in there (or not?) In a cash-grab season you could easily see Notre Dame becoming an honorary Coastal division member in the hopes of a potential Clemson rematch in the ACC title game, should such a thing take place. This all also depends on how many games are fit into the schedule – 10 feels like the hope, but 8 may become a more realistic fall-back.
The Irish entered this insane year with six teams already scheduled, three from the Coastal (Pitt, Duke, Georgia Tech) and three Atlantic teams (Wake Forest, Clemson, Louisville). One easy solution, if the Irish became honorary Coastal members in a 10-game schedule, is just to add the other divisional teams – Miami, Virginia Tech, Virginia, and North Carolina. That would generate about as hard of a possible schedule as possible, which … sounds about right for the hand Notre Dame would be dealt.
If divisions are out the window – or out for ND as a weird 15th team for one season – the options are blurrier. Still, you can project if some opponents feel like more likely additions than others based on the ACC rotation and recent games if divisions go out the window.
More Likely Opponents:
- Miami: a big ratings draw, their AD has already expressed interest, and the Canes aren’t on the ND ACC rotation until 2024.
- NC State: The Wolfpack would be appealing as the Irish aren’t scheduled to face them again until 2023, and they could use a softer game.
- Syracuse: the Orange would similarly help to provide some “competitive balance” and the teams don’t meet until 2022.
Less Likely:
- Virginia Tech: simply, we’ve seen a ton of the Hokies, and they are on the schedule for 2021. If added to this year’s schedule, that would mean Notre Dame will play VT five times in six years.
- Boston College: the teams squared off last season and in 2017, plus the awkwardness of playing Phil Jurkovec.
- Florida State: the Noles wouldn’t be shocking because they are another huge draw, but they came to South Bend in 2018 and are scheduled for the 2021 season opener in Tallahassee.
- UNC: a toss-up here – adding the Tar Heels would mean matchups in three straight years, as Mack Brown’s revitalized crew is on the 2021 and 2022 schedules. But they project as one of the best teams in the league and another ratings draw, so definitely not out of the question.
- Virginia: another team that would mean three straight years (2019/2020/2021) if added, but then the Hoos wouldn’t be back until 2024.
An all-ACC schedule by the numbers
Let’s give ourselves the mental luxury of imagining there is a 2020 playoff and the Irish are contenders. What’s the impact if we go by our favorite analytical systems? Let’s imagine this goes about the most difficult route possible, adding UNC, Miami, Virginia Tech, and UVA.
At first glance, losing Wisconsin and USC from the schedule feels like a major positive. But SP+ is very high on North Carolina (with virtually identical offensive and defensive ranks to the Trojans) and Miami is super dangerous if D’Eriq King answers their offensive woes. It all depends – Notre Dame essentially swaps Stanford and Arkansas (both 80+% likely wins) for what could be trickier contests in Virginia and Virginia Tech. Or it could be NC State and Syracuse!
SP+ is just one system though – according to ESPN’s FPI, the Irish are trading the 4th (!) best team in Wisconsin along with #13 (USC), #31 (Stanford), and #59 (Arkansas). In return, they could receive #18 Virginia Tech, #29 UNC, #51 Miami, and #71 Virginia. Some vastly different takes on the quality of the ACC teams there!
I’d lean a bit toward the FPI preseason rankings in this case. While the second-tier games get a bit harder, the biggest priority for an undefeated or one-loss Notre Dame season is minimizing the games against top opponents with similar or superior talent. Wisconsin projects to have an elite defense and should be better than any replacement from the ACC. USC also likely has a higher upside than any of those ACC teams, and poses matchup problems with Kedon Slovis and a cadre of proven blue-chip receiving talent against the likely weak link of the Irish defense at cornerback.
While Mack Brown is undoubtedly doing good things at UNC, the Tar Heels strike me as a discount USC. Both offenses will be excellent, but the Trojans have more depth (doubly important this year if football happens) and far more blue-chip defensive talent. Miami has a fearsome pass rush and King is a nightmare, but there’s more weak links and unknown commodities on that roster in my view than Wisconsin’s.
The combination of Virginia and Virginia Tech seems undoubtedly better than Stanford and Arkansas, but do either of those teams pose a significant threat? The single best unit of those four teams is likely the Hokie defense, but I’m not sure any team has the talent and experience on both sides of the ball to threaten the Irish unless they play their worst.
Would a 10-game ACC slate improve Notre Dame’s playoff chances?
So even in a world where the ACC hands the Irish the hardest 10-game conference slate possible, I lean toward thinking it’s a net positive for Notre Dame (despite what SP+ projects). If the Hokies or UNC or Miami take major leaps forward that could change, but losing two top 15 opponents for teams with more recognizable weaknesses is a major benefit. The undefeated 2018 regular season was built on the strength of a very good team to be sure, but also the lack of top-tier opponents paired with many “pretty good” teams.
As you can see from the visual below, it’s really taking two top-caliber opponents and a couple of the worst teams on the schedule and replacing them with filler that’s somewhere in between. If there was a team to bet on taking the leap from their projections, I’d take Miami, but wouldn’t you still rather play the Canes that went 6-7 last season than Wisconsin or USC?
But for all of the discussion above, the tiebreaker determining the impact on Notre Dame’s playoff chances is likely a potential ACC championship game. I’m not sure anyone would be opposed to this idea, especially if the Irish end up playing a 10-game schedule like every other ACC team. I’m sure ACC fans would largely hate it, but it’s fair and will make more money for everyone involved, and let’s face it, that’s driving most decision-making right now.
The Irish playoff odds significantly decline with a hypothetical ACC title game. Now you’re assuming two games against one of the best teams in the country in a season where two losses are a certain disqualifier. Of course, there’s a world where 1-loss Notre Dame gets that as an opportunity to avenge it’s sole loss to Clemson and make the playoff. But that’s countered by the one where the Irish sprang the upset in the first content but now are forced to do it again. In any underdog situation, playing multiple times is worse for your chances (hence the fun of March Madness versus the NBA playoffs). Fingers crossed that the impact of COVID and the health of the country allow this to be a debate for the next few months.
Very interesting stuff.
On a broader note, does anyone else think the ACC deal should be revisited in the near future? Not right now, of course, but in two or three years, assuming ND remains a consistent 10+ game-winning team and a fringe playoff contender?
I think it was a reasonable, even smart, deal to make in 2012, when ND had considerably less leverage as a football power, and when forced B1G membership was a real possibility given the collapse of the Big East and general conference instability. Eight years later, I’m not so sure. It strikes me as the worst of both worlds — we’re locked into 5 ACC games a year, most of which are against dull and middling opponents, but we can’t get the bonus points of winning a conference for playoff consideration. And I’m not convinced our current schedules are much better than what we could put together as a true independent. I doubt we’d have little trouble scheduling Pitt, BC, Syracuse, etc. as filler.
Maybe I’m just tired of a steady diet of VT and Wake Forest, but I’m not sure this is worth it.
This is where I am too; I used to think this was a great idea, but there’s really no upside. Every ACC team (other than maybe Clemson, maybe) would bend over backwards to get us on the schedule any year. We could hand pick our 5 or 6 ACC teams if we wanted to.
AND ANOTHER THING (well, two things):
– A selling point of this deal was stronger November schedules to boost our resume for the postseason. Well, take a look at last year’s November ACC opponents: VT, Duke, BC. Bleh.
– The Orange Bowl situation positively sucks, as last year demonstrated. It’s our affiliated NY6 bowl via the ACC deal, but our chances of actually playing in it are minuscule because we can only play an ACC team, which would often be a rematch.
I totally agree about the Orange Bowl situation. If there’s any revision, it should start to reward Notre Dame with “stealing” that plum NY6 bowl from the ACC as a reward if ND runs the table on the ACC (kinda gives more stakes!). Also makes sense for college football in general, Florida/ND is way more valuable than UF vs a not-great UVA team.
I disagree that there is no upside for ND in this arrangement. Hell, look at the current environment. Notre Dame is going to have a schedule this year against P5 teams because of their relationship with the ACC. That’s a nice benefit for ND. They’re also in for all other sports, which matters.
And honestly, I’d rather just have us hand-pick our 12 games every year and accept NEVER playing in an NY6 game unless we make the Playoff. If we could put together a fun schedule that resulted in 1 loss and we missed out on a big bowl game because of lack of affiliation, I really wouldn’t mind. So many great players are sitting out non-Playoff bowl games anyway.
I think we’d be fine as a pure at large for the NY6 bowls. Major bowls love us, even just as cannon fodder for much better opponents.
I think you’re missing the most important piece though, and that’s the other sports. ACC has been a godsend for the non-football sports. I think that was the primary reason for the deal, not a guarantee of five ACC games (which we could’ve had without the deal as someone pointed out).
Has it? It was great for men’s basketball until suddenly it wasn’t. Hockey isn’t even in the ACC.
I understand the Olympic sports need a conference, but the Big East seems like a much better choice. And, with all due respect to those sports, as a practical matter, what’s best for football probably needs to be the deciding factor in these decisions.
Your last point is valid, but there’s no such thing as the “Big East network” as a major broadcast outlet. The ACC is a much bigger and better conference in terms of reach and prestige at this point.
I have Comcast; I don’t think half of ND’s basketball games were on TV last year, unless I wanted to buy ESPN6.
Yeah, that’s a fair point, the rollout for the ACC Network was atrocious. But big picture with seeing what the ESPN money has done for SEC+Texas and what a successful national network has done for Big10 schools, it would be foolish to not want to affiliate with the ACCN for Notre Dame.
Big East basketball is on FOX, IIRC. They could certainly do worse.
Also, I’m not sure ND being in a conference mostly run by southern basketball schools is ever going to be a good fit.
ACC is also on ABC/ESPN. You could do a lot better for TV in all sports in the ACC than in the Big East.
Point taken on the latter, though with Clemson, Miami, FSU, Va Tech (and Notre Dame as a partial) the ACC isn’t trying to be a basketball conference, but a mix of both.
I would enjoy some more variety but I think it mostly works (also, I believe we are locked in until like the 2030s!)
At the end of the day my take is that building the right schedule is 1 sort of Tier A opponent on top of USC, another couple Tier B opponents, and then largely P5 mediocre filler, which the ACC provides in spades. For as much as strength of schedule gets debated it doesn’t seem like the playoff committee really rewards teams for wins over teams that are likely in the top 25-40 range versus those that are more like 55-70. So I’m ok just collecting that wins and moving on.
Right now the ACC only provides one of those “Tier A” teams, but that could change too. FSU and Miami both provide good potential, and just haven’t been good for most of our time in this arrangement. VT has also been stagnant, none of the “sleeping giants” like GT or UNC have really woken up (yet). I think there’s a good amount of untapped upside and with teams like Bama, OSU, A&M, etc. locked in on future schedules our challenge will be getting through with 1-loss versus how hard the schedule is.
Bottom line is I think the ACC can work as long as some programs settle back to historical norms and we keep scheduling hard. That keeps the 1-loss playoff door open while providing the 3-5 meh wins that are important too, whether it be Duke or Wake or Vandy or Purdue.
Great article, this is fun to think about…Hopefully it gets a chance to happen.
“In any underdog situation, playing multiple times is worse for your chances (hence the fun of March Madness versus the NBA playoffs).”
I kind of disagree in the vein that this year is special. Since there is little (no?) games between the conferences, I could see the CFB simply being the SEC, BIG10, ACC and BIG12 champs. Or, if anything, an extra SEC team kicking out a weaker conference.
Either way, Notre Dame benefits because if they beat Clemson in the ACC title game, they’re probably making the playoffs. Granted, on the other hand, in a normal year if they beat Clemson they have a really good chance to make the playoffs anyways. But I don’t think the odds go down, it will just come down to that big game performance. Whether that’s likely to happen, sure, very debatable.
It would be a fun way for the Coastal Division to find another new champion though, and one that’s not even technically a conference member is quite the twist.
is the Pac-12 not playing? There’s going to have to be non-automatic playoff berths unless a P5 conference opts out.
I think it’s just math here – for simplicity, let’s say we have a 25% chance against Clemson. The chance of us beating the fighting Dabo’s twice is ~6%, Clemons wins both ~56% of the time, and the rest you split. On the surface this looks good, but you still need the right sequence (lose 1st game / win ACCG – the other doesn’t work) and to hope that the first loss doesn’t knock you out of the ACCCG, which could happen. That’s both probably oversimplifying and over-analyzing it, but I think holds true.
Looks like we’re going to find out:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29559987/acc-sets-fall-football-plans-includes-notre-dame
The ACC board of directors voted Wednesday to proceed with an 11-game football season that begins the weekend of Sept. 12 — and includes FBS independent Notre Dame playing a full league schedule — but only if public health guidance allows.