There are so many questions that Notre Dame fans will be impatient to get answered after Saturday’s 32-29 Houdini act over Toledo.
MICHAEL. MAYER. NUFF. SAID.
No. 8 @NDFootball 32 – Toledo 29
đș @peacockTV #GoIrish #BeatRockets pic.twitter.com/1Z4m3l7xZQâ The Fighting Irish (@FightingIrish) September 11, 2021
First of all, let’s not sugarcoat this: While Toledo is better than it will get credit for, this was a very very bad day for Notre Dame. Like, a D or worse grade. (The offensive line obviously gets an F-minus-minus.) What we still presumed to be a likely 10-win team when the day began now has the specter of a rough year looming over it.
But as with last week, Notre Dame was able to do enough to win, coming alive for a game-winning touchdown drive in the final minutes (aided by Toledo deciding to unleash the ‘they can’t call them all’ defense only to find that yes, they can).
Let’s go over a few of the storylines from this game.
Tyler Buchner!
If there was one unabashedly good thing that came out of today, it was the excitement created by the debut of Tyler Buchner. While the Peacock broadcasters had been tipped off that Tyler would enter the game, we hadn’t, and his appearance on the ND 4-yard line generated all kinds of buzz. Not nearly as much, though, as did his succeeding 96-yard touchdown drive, which showed off a few of the gifts that have Irish fans so fired up about the freshman.
While he was clearly working with a limited play set, Buchner opened things up for ND in the running game when nothing else was working, and when Toledo cheated up on that later, Buchner whipped a great pass to Chris Tyree for a touchdown that injected some fire into the decidedly non-sellout Notre Dame crowd.
In the spirit of today’s broadcast, I envisioned Buchner doing this whenever Jack Coan came in for him later in the game:
I don’t know if ND has a full-blown quarterback controversy on its hands – the Irish probably can’t run a full complement of plays with Buchner taking the snaps – but the glimpse of Buchner will create demand for more, and it’s clear he’s got the tools to be the guy within the next 12 months.
We’ve got a big, big problem up front
Of course, the reason Buchner’s presence was so needed was because the Notre Dame offensive line was absolutely atrocious. No consistent push led to an inability to run the ball much, an inability to protect Coan and as a result, an inability to sustain drives the way ND fans are used to.
Left tackle Michael Carmody in particular struggled, then he got injured and former highly-touted recruit Tosh Baker took over the position and struggled even more. I have no idea what the Irish can do with the personnel they have up front, and maybe they don’t yet either, but they’ll have to figure this out or ND isn’t going anywhere except maybe the Fenway Bowl. Time to earn your paycheck, Jeff Quinn.
Defense still uneven
For three quarters and change, the Notre Dame defense was…fine! They’d given up 9 points, and really it should’ve been 3 (I guess ‘indisputable’ is not in the replay official’s vocabulary, and it’s not the D’s fault ND can’t get 4th-and-1 at its own 40). They weren’t creating havoc plays left and right, but Toledo did very little in the 3rd quarter and the Irish seemed to be one offensive score away from being OK.
Then the offense (Buchner) got that score, and…ND gave up another massive run that looked almost identical to the one FSU had last week. And then a TD. And then another. (Admittedly, giving up 6 points was probably better than 6 yards on that last one, as Toledo could’ve just run out the clock and kicked a game-winning FG otherwise). The D did its job on the final possession, but man…just like the offensive line, there are a lot of things to fix and it’s not even clear where they go first.
Stop fumbling, Kyren
Just a quick note here. I love Kyren Williams. He’s got to stop fumbling. Especially when ND doesn’t have much of an offensive line to give him running room, priority one has to be not doing that, and even more so when you’re trying to run out the clock and end the game.
Peacock
For what it’s worth, Peacock streamed quite nicely for me. (I luckily have a sibling who is a Comcast Internet customer, so I didn’t have to pay any extra for this.) Only two instances of buffering, both very brief. It’s good that it worked because I assume this is going to keep happening in future seasons.
Drew Brees was pretty much exactly what you’d expect from him: Completely milquetoast. Not actively annoying like Doug Flutie, but a clear downgrade from Tony Dungy. I don’t think he ever said anything that made me say, “Yep, he nailed that” the way Dungy did a few times last season.
And yet, after this messy game, whatever dumb streaming platform is airing Notre Dame games seems like the least of ND’s issues. Purdue is next week, and another effort like this would probably result in the black and gold side coming out on top. Hopefully next week is better.
Dios mio.
The nicest thing I can say is that a lot of ND teams would be 0-2 at this point, and I guess we kind of play a very ugly style of complementary football.
We have no choice but to shuffle the OL, right? I know Kelly doesn’t want to, but I don’t see how we can go 10 more games with this LT situation. I’m agnostic on Buchner/Coan — it doesn’t matter if the OL plays like this.
Not going to complain about the defense today other than to note that one busted big play can undo an entire quarter’s worth of work.
I’m missing the Purdue game for a wedding and not mad about it in the least.
Who are these people scheduling weddings during college football season? Have they no decency?
People who have my blood pressure in mind, thankfully.
We are in trouble here, folks.
What are the possible OL combinations that could improve things?
Patterson-Spindler-Correll-Madden-Lugg
Is there anyone else that could play either tackle spot? I thought Lugg didn’t look that great either. Wonder if Alt is worth giving a shot.
BK said at the post game presser that he wasnât going to move Patterson to tackle, so itâs probably a moot point..But I agree with your line idea as least a change up to see if it would be more effective.
Yea was just listening to that now. It does sound like Kelly’s not moving Patterson. He mentioned that Patterson is not really a tackle. And that those other tackles are talented but just young. They better grow up quickly.
Gotta love how Coan doesnât get too high or low, but he also just seems to have no emotion. No hurry up in his game, it might just be me but everything he does looks sloowww. Heâs usually effective if he can get to it, but just seems to take a while.
Def need to have a QB with a run threat to make this offense work. The line is bad and gets no push, Coan doesnât freeze anyone on RPO, no one needs to respect him. Buchner completely changed the game.
Wouldnât really call it a âcontroversyâ but itâs pretty clear Buchner is such a better fit for what they want to do. He just needs experience and reps at this point, and probably sooner than later heâs going to be getting all of them.
RPO doesn’t require the QB to run. The run option can be for the RB. it’s clearly helpful to have a QB with some mobility but Coan can likely throw the ball way better than Buchner at this point (otherwise Bunchner would probably be starting) and it’s not like an offense can’t work with a QB without as much mobility (esp. with so many weapons). The key is just the OL. And long-term Buchner wouldn’t survive either with the current protection.
Maybe I should have said the zone read concept instead. There was one play on 3rd and 1 where Kyren converted and the reason he did was the defense hesitated seeing Buchner make the call on who was getting the ball. When that was Coan they were crashing and selling out to stop the RB and thatâs a big reason why Toledo had 11 TFL.
The OL is obviously important, but the proof of the QB influence in the run game was obvious. The offense was sputtering with Coan. They were gashing the defense on the ground with Buchner in. The personnel switch to improve the run game isnât a lineman, itâs the QB. And it worked.
yea you are absolutely right. QB running can help the run game. Long-term however defenses will adjust (otherwise everyone would just run the form of the option we were running with Buchner) and it won’t be so easy to run those plays unless Buchner can throw downfield too (making progressions, etc.).
Gotcha, yeah I see what youâre saying about sustainability. Ideally the line gels and gets better (or at least stops getting hurt and the same 5 can form some chemistry) so maybe thatâs the hope they can develop before defenses can snuff out Buchner. And his pass to Tyree was promising, all heâs got to do is stretch defenses and get the ball out to prove he can and that could open up more too.
Itâs exciting, I couldnât believe they brought him in starting on the 4 yard line! And were fine playing him in the 4th quarter in a close game. Nice to have Coan around to close it out too. As maddening as the Kelly QB switches typically are, the usage today was surprisingly (to me anyways) smart and very effective.
Agreed on all counts!
So is Bill Connelly a wizard? SP+ was pretty close.
Help, everyone? For technical reasons, I was not able to make work the ND overseas TV thing I paid 35$ for. Is “Peacock” going to show the game later?
Youâll love it, many false starts due to the noise! đ
A replay is already available for the US version of Peacock, so hopefully you will be able to access it ASAP. I just clicked sports then scrolled down to college football and itâs there on demand.
I tried not to complain too much about the whole process and having a bit of a lag to real time because international fans really got screwed on this one.
Thanks, Hooks. I’ll go look for it!
RUIDO
One thing, yes, false starts! You are so right. It hasn’t happened hardly at all for decades. The savvy use of the video board and the year off both have helped. More to follow, its 4:00 am here
If only we’d stop fetishizing a blue collar mentality, gosh dangit. Names on the jersey would of been nice for identifying the poor blocking.
Only one person can help this OL with his no-nonsense gritty Pittsburgh attitude and Marlboro Reds.
Everyone who was thumping their chests about Jeff Quinn Doing Good Things as OL coach is awful quiet now. Kind of like giving up a 65 yard score after a good series, a couple good years followed by the worst line since 2007 is kind of a wash.
I do feel like this is the first o line we have had that has little to no influence of Harry Headstand on it.
I think the same can be said of Freeman thus far, sadly.
Florida State just lost to Jax State on a walkoff. We need to prepare ourself for the possibility that this ND team goes 7-5 or 6-6.
(I don’t think we *will*, but I think 7-5 is notably more likely than 11-1 at this point.)
Yikes I just checked the score. FSU only scored 17 on JSU and was able to put up 38 on us. I agree we might be in a bit of trouble here đŹ.
Also – Stanford beat USC??!!
The transitive property doesnât hold very well in football butâŠpoint taken. Also I kinda wonder for FSU and Notre Dame, their games started close to like 5.5 days (more like 5.7 to be exact, but you know) after the last game ended. Gotta wonder if that quick turnaround was taxing.
Is Helton even going to make it to the October game?
Yea Iâm with you hooks on the transitive property thing. Itâs just more of a âyikesâ moment looking at it from afar. Good point on the turnaround as well, I hadnât considered that but seems plausible. They did look somewhat âsleepyâ at times during the game. Who knows.
I donât know what to make of usc and Helton. Did not expect Stanford to win that one. At all.
Ditto on the transitive property in general. I’m not buying that Fresno State is as good as tOSU because they both lost to Oregon at 7 (heck, by that logic Fresno is better because they lost on the road). I think let downs happen, especially with college kids.
On other point I keep thinking is that I still am enough of a homer to think a lot of schools circle two games on the calendar every year: their rivalry game and Notre Dame. We take everybody’s best shot, every time.
Which also could help explain FSU’s loss to a team that probably had their game circled on the calendar since last year.
The same could be said of Bama, OSU, Clemson for sure, so we are not unique in that regard.